layering hi hats

Borat wrote:You can also try to copy your hi hat track, pan one hard left and one hard right, that works well for me!

that´ll only work if one of the tracks´ timing is shifted slightly.

Borat wrote:You can also try to copy your hi hat track, pan one hard left and one hard right, that works well for me!

If your going for a real drum sound I don't know how much that would help. In order to emulate a real drum set you have to think where all the instruments are positioned. Thats just me though, I'm not saying your wrong.

Yes you're right. What i do is just tune a bit one of the hats track like -1, to avoid phasing between both tracks. It adds a stereo effect to the drums, it was used a lot by west coast producers like Dr Dre, Warren G...

Borat wrote:to avoid phasing between both tracks.

Ahhhh a dude who makes beats and actually pays attention to detail.
Props to you my friend! Not many people pay attention to phase, nor do they notice how much of a difference it makes.

Jayson Wonder wrote:Yep good tips. I wish I could side chain with the MPC. I often travel and if I take an MPC only I cannot find a way to do this. I was recently working on a track where I needed to sidechain my bass / synth sounds and could not see a method with MPC. Is there one im missiong?

Just cop an FMR Audio RNC....its $150-ish, very portable (about the size of double disc cd case) and has sidechain inputs to use with the 8 outs on the mpc. Sounds amazing, as well...

Borat wrote:Yes you're right. What i do is just tune a bit one of the hats track like -1, to avoid phasing between both tracks. It adds a stereo effect to the drums, it was used a lot by west coast producers like Dr Dre, Warren G...

Fellas,

I'm trying to implement this in a new beat, but i need a little help. I have my hi-hat track on track 2 (Pad 4) under a program called "Acoustic Drum Kit." After i copy the track to track 6, i want to tune this one down a bit. However, since the mixer mode only controls panning for individual pads and not tracks, if i pan Pad 4 for hi-hat in track 2 to the left, it will also do it for track 6, since the panning is attached to the program and not the track. Do i need to make a new program just for my hi-hat on track 6? I'm working with JJOS Free.

Are you able to control panning and level for individual tracks instead of pads in the paid JJOS systems?

I've also been curious about this for quantize. Is quantize specific to the track, sequence or project? If i quantize my hats on one track at 1/32, then quantize my snare at 1/8th, how does that work in terms of grid edit when i switch back to the hats track. I've already played around with this but i've been getting some mixed results..
Thanks for the Help.




Respectfully,
Clemente

Not familiar with jjos so take this how you will...

Make a copy of the original program and assign it to track 6. Make your changes there.

Quantize is specific to the track.

Good luck..

galganael wrote:

Borat wrote:Yes you're right. What i do is just tune a bit one of the hats track like -1, to avoid phasing between both tracks. It adds a stereo effect to the drums, it was used a lot by west coast producers like Dr Dre, Warren G...

Fellas,

I'm trying to implement this in a new beat, but i need a little help. I have my hi-hat track on track 2 (Pad 4) under a program called "Acoustic Drum Kit." After i copy the track to track 6, i want to tune this one down a bit. However, since the mixer mode only controls panning for individual pads and not tracks, if i pan Pad 4 for hi-hat in track 2 to the left, it will also do it for track 6, since the panning is attached to the program and not the track. Do i need to make a new program just for my hi-hat on track 6? I'm working with JJOS Free.

Are you able to control panning and level for individual tracks instead of pads in the paid JJOS systems?

I've also been curious about this for quantize. Is quantize specific to the track, sequence or project? If i quantize my hats on one track at 1/32, then quantize my snare at 1/8th, how does that work in terms of grid edit when i switch back to the hats track. I've already played around with this but i've been getting some mixed results..
Thanks for the Help.




Respectfully,
Clemente

Not sure about this since i have an mpc 2000. Personally, I only use one program when i make a beat. But if you multi track out, you can do this in your DAW. Don't pan your hats in your mpc, tune one of those 2 hats up or down a bit. When you track out, pan one to the left, the other to the right and that's it!
I also like to add a bit of reverb to the entire drum track, it makes the drums more cohesive.

Borat wrote:I also like to add a bit of reverb to the entire drum track, it makes the drums more cohesive.

i do this in the mixing stage too.
a cool trick i learned is if you time your pre delay to the tempo of your track, 8th,1/4 16th, 32nd ect. then it makes your reverbs sound alot more musical.

also i have found that the kick doesnt need as much reverb as the rest of the kit.

if you are micing a real drumset, the room and overheads need no reverb at all either.

damien907 wrote:a cool trick i learned is if you time your pre delay to the tempo of your track, 8th,1/4 16th, 32nd ect. then it makes your reverbs sound alot more musical.

Nice, I didn't know that!

jonestown massacre wrote:I'm trying to implement this in a new beat, but i need a little help. I have my hi-hat track on track 2 (Pad 4) under a program called "Acoustic Drum Kit." After i copy the track to track 6, i want to tune this one down a bit. However, since the mixer mode only controls panning for individual pads and not tracks, if i pan Pad 4 for hi-hat in track 2 to the left, it will also do it for track 6, since the panning is attached to the program and not the track. Do i need to make a new program just for my hi-hat on track 6? I'm working with JJOS Free.

Just do it in the DAW, you will save yourself the headache.

galganael wrote:

Borat wrote:Yes you're right. What i do is just tune a bit one of the hats track like -1, to avoid phasing between both tracks. It adds a stereo effect to the drums, it was used a lot by west coast producers like Dr Dre, Warren G...

Fellas,

I'm trying to implement this in a new beat, but i need a little help. I have my hi-hat track on track 2 (Pad 4) under a program called "Acoustic Drum Kit." After i copy the track to track 6, i want to tune this one down a bit. However, since the mixer mode only controls panning for individual pads and not tracks, if i pan Pad 4 for hi-hat in track 2 to the left, it will also do it for track 6, since the panning is attached to the program and not the track. Do i need to make a new program just for my hi-hat on track 6? I'm working with JJOS Free.

Are you able to control panning and level for individual tracks instead of pads in the paid JJOS systems?

I've also been curious about this for quantize. Is quantize specific to the track, sequence or project? If i quantize my hats on one track at 1/32, then quantize my snare at 1/8th, how does that work in terms of grid edit when i switch back to the hats track. I've already played around with this but i've been getting some mixed results..
Thanks for the Help.




Respectfully,
Clemente

In JJOS press mode and pad 4. there is a track mixer. you can pan, adjust levels, route effects in there.
I never use the original mixer .. don't even know what pad that was..

I get into layering to the point where some hihat samples are 36 semi tones down or up... pan left and right with each.. using pad simult to get more layers..plus use hp filters to cut all that low freq junk out... then when I'm happy i resample to one pad...
Just to make new ones.. It's just fun creating new sounds....
When you pitch it down 36 you can get some interesting gritty ambience out of some of the hihat samples...

dazastah wrote:When you pitch it down 36 you can get some interesting gritty ambience out of some of the hihat samples...

You can get that grittiness without pitching it down so far but definitely experimentation
is good.