L.E.S. used same beat as Jay Dilla???

I'm not calling you out, or anything like that. just stating my opinion

Lord Toranaga wrote:we are all using the same equipment, and the same records. any one of us could be using the same record, at any given point in time.

when you look at hip hop in simplest form. We are all biters. We use records and beat machines to make our own music. We are definately not the first ones to do this. No one on this forum was the first person to chop up a breakbeat.

just my opnion

PREACH!

Somebody post the farking songs already.

Man, a lot of mainstream producers jack from other producers, it's dispicable cuz they are all cocky about their skills but they gotta steal shyt from others cuz they don't have time or love of the craft.

I for one don't believe the ends justify the means.

" I met this blind beatmaker who had these hot beats, so I got his demo and sampled his drums and loops and flipped it my own way, now Im on the Roc"

C'mon now, a beat may be hot, but making a beat like X producer that's hot is no feat compared to doing something that nobody else is doing and making it hot.

If music isn't inside you trying to get out, then you are constantly following those who do have it to try and fake the funk.

CRZ wrote:And I also have to say that I've got nothing against looping up the same break as someone.

When Kanye produced "Selfish" by Slum Village, he looped up the same break that Inspectah Deck used on the song "Spazzola" by Method Man. SAME BREAK, DIFFERENT BEAT. And might I add that "Spazzola" was so so so much doper than "Selfish". Weird...being that Inspectah is more of an emcee than a producer.

I'm talking about making the same beat.

I don't know if L.E.S. used the same break as Dilla, but he definitely made the same beat.

Aretha franklins "call me"

if dilla hasnt come out and complained about it why are we? and how do we know it wasnt ghostproduced by him and sold to l.e.s. this happens alot as well. i havent heard the joint yet so i cant really comment. but i want to add this, the stuff thats being mentioned as far as oh he jacked this or that, thats how some of the musicians feel about sampling. Oh these hip hop kids are jacking our material they're not creative, they're just stealing our stuff. Should we stop sampling and pick up instruments?? i agree fully with lord toranaga, we're not the first to do anything shet happens.

THANK YOU AXE26

Dilla don't do the same beat twice.

Making sample based music by sampling sample based artist in the same genre and in the same era is the worst kind of incest and actually strengthens the arguments of people who say sampling is just stealing.

who is L.E.S.?

NaS' long time producer and DJ

I hanen't listened to a nas record, since illmatic.

People need to stop!!! Sampling has ALWAYS had people make or use the same samples. Most people have the SAME records in their collection, hence the same beats. Stop all the Jilla did it first stuff because I know of TWO instances J using other peoples drums and musicians to make beats for HIM. So stop with all the people biting thing. Hiphop was founded on different crews using the SAME breaks and groups rhyming on the SAME beats at parties (reference Wild Style). So chill, some of ya'll take this sh!t WAY to serious!!!

Flipping a sample, finding a sample, and digging for a sample is a art and craftmanship. Back in the day and to a certain extent now it always has and always been about skills and skills. Hip Hop was founded by DJs and each dj had to show and prove his skills, knowledge, and technique. Shit they have beat competiitions in NYC all the time were producers are using the same grooves, drums, and flipping this crazy to see who`s the man with creativity.

Check it out most pros send out 20 to 30 beats on a CD or whatever to an artist the artist may pick five or less out of that. If L.E.S the producer of the classic "Life a ****" from the Illmatic LP used that sample it was for a reason cuz NAS pick it or wanted to use it to maybe show his lyricial skills over Roc crew or to catch that Kanye Vibe too.

But whatever the reason there are rules in this game cuz if you do the same shit and its wack people will talk about your ass and in the hood, in the game, in the joint, on the street your rep is all you got. If word of mouth on the street says you biting the next man with some weak effort you are through.

It really doesn`t matter what a internet board says cuz the guys on the street buying it are the ones feeling it anyway. I like both versions of the song one for the beat with Kanye and the other with NAS with the lyrics. But as far as a producer making a beat I would have picked the Kanye version in a beat contest for more originality fu*k the radio play and some suit talking record sales for a light single.

L.E.S is soulful just flip it more to show his talent.


And yeah sampling is an intricate part of modern music since the early 80s. Sampling is music in it highest form of djing. Sampling has change music forever why go back to a traditional instrument when I have the future in my hands.

Soul Sonic Force said it best about sampling/hip hop "We are the future, you are the past so beat this"

Lord Toranaga wrote:I hanen't listened to a nas record, since illmatic.

damn!

elmacaco wrote:Dilla don't do the same beat twice.

Making sample based music by sampling sample based artist in the same genre and in the same era is the worst kind of incest and actually strengthens the arguments of people who say sampling is just stealing.

so u mean to tell me people who use stuff from our era in a song is garbage? so when premo or peterock sampled certain lyrics of rappers from different songs to make hooks,this was wack or incest???

that's a DJ thing, cuttin a voice.

Sampling drums or a stab or a loop from a current hip hop hit, to try and make another current hip hop hit, is incest. You contribute nothing.

As a samplist a big part of your art is what you put in your sampler. If you just want the samples that some other prodecers have in their samplers, then you are half an artist.