Prefuse 73

yeah **** anytomonominon or watever says mate- if you really wanna know ask away, just because learning how certain producers do things doesn't automatically equate to wanting to jump on the style and this is something any serious e-muso needs to know...sadly there are peeps who will never progress cos they are scared that if they learn a certain producers technique that their unoriginailty will cause them to sound exactly the same where a better producer would learn the technique to expand knowledge and take influence from...

search the forums for prefuse his techniues have been discuesed before....

greg

kaneaudio wrote:Self taught muscians like Jimi Hendrix still studied other musicians just because you don't take lessons does it mean you don't learn other riffs etc by ear. I'm not only studying prefuse 73 I study Timbaland, Premier, Shadow, David Axelrod you name it. I was just looking for more insight into Prefuse style because I want to add some of those techiniques to my STYLE of composing. Not to straight bite

Stryke "You're talking about goin' to learn something at a school vs copying someone's style" Um Who's talking about copying someone style?

"That's a big difference chief.I know you have to listen to music to make music but if you do Hip Hop should you only listen to Hip Hop?And should you focus on 1 producer in general if you do?"
UM Who said I only listen to Hip Hop and who said I focus on One Producer only. I don't know if you even read the thread

I read the thread and gave my opinion.If you don't like it,who cares?You have an opinion and so do i.I stated mine and that's it.L.I.G it.

i think all he is saying stryke is your opinion was based on a misunderstanding- thats all...


greg

Thanks Dubmonkey I will search the forum.

I wasn't upset or nothin',maybe it "sounded" like it. So, if it did i apologize.My bad.

I think the moog is an extremely powerful synth. Consider getting an analogue synth

he will be lucky...

http://search.ebay.co.uk/moog_Keyboard- ... acatZ16217

greg

yo elmacaco,

you talk allot of sh*t you know nothing about man. i have a two year degree from berkley(drum preformance) and i never heard your music but i think just from my training a berklee i could run loops around you on the mpc1000, mpc2000, mpc3000, mpc4000, garage can, anything. on my ipod i have everything form 2pac to chicago to return to forever to doobie brother to hootie & blow fish to jean-lu ponty to jimmy castor bunch to linkin park to mccoy tyner to sly and family stone to whatever. the more music you are expose to the better musician/producer/beatmaker you are going to be. period. you need to open you mind and let it flow freely and not be boxed into the SH!t you precieve which in my opinion is absolutely b*ll sh!t. anything can spark inspiration. a needle dropping to the floor to a 12 year old playing chop sticks at the music store.

i bet a dollar to a donut that you have produce some music that you can not duplicate because you do not know how you made it, just because there is no musical background there.

anyone with a sense of the beat can make a beat

load the mpc with drum samples
setup it up for 4/4 time sig
4 bar loop
tap out a drum beat
set up a tone module
make a bass line (only use white keys)
make a synth line (only use white keys)

you have a beat. if i only use the white keys what key is my beat in?
just say the person who sings the hook sings in the key of e# what are you going to do? how many semitones up or down are you going to move?

elmacaco, these are basic questions but if you can answer them you know more than i thought. my point is the more you know about music the better "YOUR" music will sound. period. to read your post i feel all your music is a wing and a pray.

just say you want to have a chinesse feel/sound to your music what keys on the keyboard would you use? and what key would you be in?

C major for all the white keys, and Mr. Mwalker, are we back into starting trouble again?

Did I ever say I was self taught? I use arabic scales, pentatonic scales, chinese don't tickle my fancy, but that heinekin comercial with the guy playing guitar with the heinekin bottle as a slide is playing a chinese scale. Really not my style.

You have no Idea of who I am, you just like starting trouble and you picked me for saying that you should learn to express yourself musically rather than trying to copy other tunes. I've been through all of that, and I tell you it is a waste of time because you can still learn theory and all that without playing other people's music. Playing Brahms is one thing, but copying producers that you hope to compete with is dumb.

Oh, and my Ipod kills yours, I can't believe you are braggin about linkin park and hootie and the Burger king commercials.

I got sly and the family stone on mine too though, that's good. how about, the meters, james brown, Public enemy, MF Doom, Madlib, dead kennedys, johnny cash, portishead, tricky, the orb, lee scratch perry, bob marley, Isao Tomita, Flawless victory.

and LOL at Berklee, I've seen countless Berklee graduate who don't know shyt. I personally met (interviewed) 4 graduates for an Engineering position, they couldn't name the typical controls found on a compressor!

SO I wouldn't be flashing that paper and trying to get some respect that way. But you are welcome to try and run circles around me, I think you are just a guy with a temper and every once in a while you gotta vent cuz your wife don't suck dick or something, but you really gotta watch who you **** with, you want to get personal, fine, but you said nothing of substance. You didn't explain how copying producers is better than exploring your own sound, you just dish out the personal attacks and say nothing, stick to being helpful man, cuz you talkin more shyt than me, and you can't back it up, you just want to get into some ego battle, like always.

I think you should be back on your meds man, or up the dosage or something,.

first off i do have james brown, zepplin, andy narel (steel drum player) you name it i have it.

i love music
any kind of music
long as it groovin

o'jays i love music

some of your points are correct. i must agree. the white keys are the key of C. Chinesse question is C#. about berklee, well there are individuals that guaduate from high school and can not read. therefore, not all berklee grads are the best. period.

producers/producing, i love any music produce well. when i listen to bill cobham songs what makes the drums sound so good? the tuning, the make of the drums not to me, it is the compression and flanger he uses, therefore in some of the music i write i will use that technic.

all that i am saying is that i do not study per say any producers but thier technic. period. lets look at james brown music which i think is some very funky sh*t. well Jame's music (not all) is off beat sometimes. his band speeds up allot. would i incorparate that technic in my music? no.

in my opinion, i am a sumation of all my musicial experiences. from banging on maxwell house coffee can when i was three years old to today.
the more you listen to music and how it is made the better producer/musician you are going to be. period.

i play the drums and have studied cobham, tony williams, lenny white, steve gadd, etc and i can not play like any of these guys? no, but i have taken alittle from each of them to make my own style. endurance from cobham, rudiments from tony, hi hat work from lenny, triplets from gadd, grooves from steve forone (avg white band) and john robinson (rufus, michael jackson).

the bottom line here is learning/listening from other artist/producer give an individual a point of reference.example, this beat/song is missing something and what should i add? a tuba? a kettle drum? a gong? listening to other gives you a point of reference on what should be added. period.

now, i would comment about my wife and my richard but i know i come off harsh somethings and i will lets it slide (this time).

the same way you feel about hardware i feel about study music. i am passionate about. i feel that there is no new stevie wounder or prince because of the lack of music study. now aday you purchase a mpc and you a producer. when i was growing up we call it sheding/paying your due because we invested time into our craft.

Damn yo, that was a really cool response. I never thought I'd see the day where beef would end so quickly.

Yeah man, studying musicians is much different than studying some of these beatmakers, especially if you haven't studied anything else, a lot of people sweat a style and then get locked into it because that's all they know, and they need to then learn themselves as far as what their identity is, rather than 'I'm gonna make a primo beat with kanye congas and a dre bassline'. My main point is that you can learn alot of that stuff by making your own music, rather than learning the signature of some producer and using it like it's yours instead of discovering your own signature.

Yeah, I love music too, and the tools that help me get it out of me. I'll listen to other productions and see what they are up to, but I feel a lot of these guys are really limited, instead of seeing prefuse as making something cool with an XL and a moog voyager, a very minimal set up, which shows what you can do with what you already have, everyone's like, yeah, that moog voyager is dope, how does he do that with his MPC. It's just a midied monosynth, you can make music with anything, and how did he discover how to do all that cool stuff, by using his MPC.

That was my point.

I gotta give you props again for keepin cool like that, that shyt was exemplary, you're a better man than I thought.

listen to the first track on prefuse's new album. he responds to a question about biters with this response: if you can make some music and get someone to get off their ass and do some creative sh!t, then that's some sh!t, isn't it?"

some aspects of prefuses production these are guesses, not from interviews or anything:
sound source to mpc2000.
heavy chopping
send it through the moog
send it back into the mpc.

or sound source to moog to mpc, maybe both ways.

Prefuse be biting too, but not really cuz you can tell his stuff comes from him, but homeboy comes off mad whiney in interviews. I read one in Remix or something and I kept being surprised at how much of **** he was being.

Props for doing his own thing tho, we do need more of that.

Mad respect to mwalker, for keeping his head. Peace god.

yeah man, he deserves mad props for that, truly setting an example for the rest of us right there.