Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By DaSoof Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:26 pm
Ohh ok
we was doing this in class the other day. dont kno y most producers r afraid of this process. It aint really that hard to do.

By Beat God Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:04 am
most people are afraid of it because u need
1. perfect undamaged ears
2. a tuned room for mastering
3. mastering monitors
4. experience
5. mastering grade effects
if u wanna try mastering learn the art first
i do master tracks sometimes with great results but i by no means think that i am herb powers or call my self a mastering engineer

By pad-ophiliac Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:08 am
DaSoof wrote:Ohh ok
we was doing this in class the other day. dont kno y most producers r afraid of this process. It aint really that hard to do.


and you don't know what the diference is between the two? that dosen't make much sense. you learned how to do it the other day yet you don't know the difference? no one told you what was being taught? i wish i had the opp to take a class like that.
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By DaSoof Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:44 pm
pad-ophiliac wrote:
DaSoof wrote:Ohh ok
we was doing this in class the other day. dont kno y most producers r afraid of this process. It aint really that hard to do.


and you don't know what the diference is between the two? that dosen't make much sense. you learned how to do it the other day yet you don't know the difference? no one told you what was being taught? i wish i had the opp to take a class like that.

yeah thats me, i dont bother with names and lables. nothing to be proud of though.
By fader-pro Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:38 pm
What most folks are describing her as mastering is actually is pre-mastering. Mastering is the act of creating the Glass Master of your disk for duplication. Pre-Mastering is the art of normalizing and Eq'ing your tracks so that they work together. There is very little reason to master (pre-master) a single cut. The whole purpose of the process is to get differrent tunes to play at the same volume, with the same basic EQ so your CD comes off sounding smooth and pro quality. It can also involve click, noise and glitch removal. Those of us that do mastering, prefer you use little or no compression as you mix. It also helps if you go easy on the freakin reverb. It's easy to add but hell to tone down. And most mastering software has acoustic modeling reverbs available that blow away even really good digital reverb units. If you havent washed out the tune with a bunch of really bad reverb, we can add a touch of the good stuff to the whole project and make it really sparkle. Usually we also have higher end compressors / expanders and more experience getting that boomin' sound your lookin for. If you have maxed the headroom, you give us no room to play.
By fader-pro Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:55 pm
What most folks are describing her as mastering is actually is pre-mastering. Mastering is the act of creating the Glass Master of your disk for duplication. Pre-Mastering is the art of normalizing and Eq'ing your tracks so that they work together. There is very little reason to master (pre-master) a single cut. The whole purpose of the process is to get differrent tunes to play at the same volume, with the same basic EQ so your CD comes off sounding smooth and pro quality. It can also involve click, noise and glitch removal. Those of us that do mastering, prefer you use little or no compression as you mix. It also helps if you go easy on the freakin reverb. It's easy to add but hell to tone down. And most mastering software has acoustic modeling reverbs available that blow away even really good digital reverb units. If you havent washed out the tune with a bunch of really bad reverb, we can add a touch of the good stuff to the whole project and make it really sparkle. Usually we also have higher end compressors / expanders and more experience getting that boomin' sound your lookin for. If you have maxed the headroom, you give us no room to play.
By Eemo1 Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:17 am
so what´s your higher end equipement?

By fader-pro Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:29 pm
As far as outboard gear I'm using a 1960 Drawmer and an avalon VT74SP, both class A tube compressors. But truthfully I rarely use them anymore for mastering unless the original material is "brittle" like what folks sometimes end up with if they use old 16bit digital gear (VS880/1680 etc.). I pretty much use software now and it's not so expensive - $600 will get you good mastering software from Sonic Foundry, Stienberg, Pro Tools etc. A couple of hundred more for plug-ins, mabey $500-$1000 for some really good DACS, a couple sets of monitors and your in business. The real tricks to mastering is a good ear, experience, decent source material, and a monitoring environment that translates well to consumer speakers. When I pre master for an artist (or myself) I take the following steps.
1. Transfer the source material to computer. (This is why you need good converters)
2. Adjust volume only (No compression yet) so channel levels match.
3. Hiss or noise removal. If the track is very noisy, I will do this in two or three passes which seems to preserve the source material better than trying to cut out all the noise in one pass. Note that hiss removal software can also kill some of your reverb tails if you apply too much, but you can use this as a work around for music with too much reverb as well.
4. Click, pop, and glitch removal.
5. EQ (It's important at this point to make sure you can hear all the elements of the mix at extremely low volume levels. It is equally important that it dosent sound too bright at high volume levels.
6. Time to take a listen through headphones too. Excess fx processing is really noticable through headphones.
7. Apply reverb, sonic enhancement etc...go light because this is the seasoning not the meal.
8. Compression / Volume maximizing. This is critical because it's easy to overdo, underdo. Compression can be hard to hear until it's way overdone
9. To get these steps right you need to be able to jump from track to track as you listen to make sure they all match in terms of EQ volume etc. You also need to switch between at least two different sets of monitors. (I actually use 4 - A multimedia set for PC, high-end studio monitors, Auratones, and your garden variety home speakers. At this point your music should sound out at the same level, eq, etc...as your favorite CD mixed by the fat cats with a jazillion dollars to spend on production.
10. Resample to 44.1k
11. Cut a red - book compliant CDR or DAT for the artist.
12. Get paid - then turn over the goods
13. Go to the %*%&ing bank!
The cost of good mastering tools are nowdays low enough that anyone with desire can save up enough money to own them. The deal is - paint brushes are 2 for a dollar but some people will become house painters and some become picasso's...
Peace
Dan
By 4dahaterz Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:50 pm
thats very well put...especially about the house painters and the Picasso's