Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Dabzznsgva Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:27 am
orjanbeats wrote:
Dabzznsgva wrote:18. jacking my drums from "she's always in my hair" (how did he find an open spot?) and then jacking d's "jonze in my bonze" (??!?!) for the music in 1/2 second spurts


WTF 9th is always using them fruity loops drum presets anywayz


That second quote was from ?uest and not 9th...
By orjanbeats Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:54 am
Dabzznsgva wrote:
orjanbeats wrote:
Dabzznsgva wrote:18. jacking my drums from "she's always in my hair" (how did he find an open spot?) and then jacking d's "jonze in my bonze" (??!?!) for the music in 1/2 second spurts


WTF 9th is always using them fruity loops drum presets anywayz


That second quote was from ?uest and not 9th...


Hehe sorry I didn't read the entire list

By sbtst6 Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:22 pm
I think the Korg ESX1 is the answer to the filter and sample freaking question.
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By c.toon Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:33 pm
There are only 2 main parts to filtering on the 3000.

1. Freq, add freq & resonance

2. the filter envelope: attack, decay and amount of effect on the filter.

Now this is just listing how the 3000 filter is set up. The way I, and I guess quite some ppl (not only dilla), use it for drums is pretty simple:

Layering the same, or also different drumhits & sounds, adjusting the volumes, pitches, filters, filter envelopes and normal envelopes. This is bascily sound designing. Just be creative man. A painter might use a brush, fukc he might even use his wifes ass to get his paint on the canvas.

Same goes for music. You can layer several snares and it still doest sound right... You put a simple "needleclick" sound or just anything you can record that is accented on a certain freq on top and BAM. Like most things in producing this is all about experience and feeling:

Look at your winamp the next time you hear a drum solo on a sick beat and compare it to yours.. Yes of course those are professionally mastered beats, but you can still see the range the snare/clap /whatever takes. This just takes time, patience and feeling. Since I'm mixing and (unprofessionally) mastering an album I acquired a lot more feeling for whats missing or what needs to be accented.

Now you may be asking for the kicks..
Try this for starters: copy the same kick onto 2 different pads. Make the first one simultaneously trigger the 2nd. Now filter the 2nd pad to like 0-20 and pull down the volume of it. Actually try and find a balanced sound between the 2 kicks. Woah, its like double as hard now, you might say...
But wait untill you try playing a bassline over it...

1st problem comes in here: Distortion due to Frequency overlapping...

So after fattening your kick, you need to reduce some lowend again to make space for the bass. For all this I can say is: Use a frequency analyser. It will show you which parts are characteristic for certain sounds.
You will build your own preference when it comes to frequencies.

Before you get at it though let me give you one final hint:
Boosting is something that should be done precisely and carefully. Dont over do it, leave a little headroom and most importantly: Frequency cuts are MUCH MORE important than boosts. You can do all this in wavelab and a few plugins. Nobody needs a 3000 for this. IMO: the 3k filter sounds hella dope, but its only a personal prefernce. Use what feels best. Perhaps try an emax just for drums 8)

Mixing theory knowledge really helps alot: give each sound its place, but keep the sound natural.

Hope this is not too confusing, but this is what helps me to get drums hard enough. :wink:

.toon

By sbtst6 Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:21 pm
I am trying to figure out how Dilla did The beat for Slum Village "DO YOU"? He really flipped "More Bounce"!!
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By Blue Haze Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:29 pm
Cuz I`ma do me ***** love that song and yeah you are right about that ESX filters and effects it is nice. Madlib has one too.

By sbtst6 Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:49 pm
Nodoubt!! :wink: He Freaked it!!! I think that he did the sample tweeking in the Korg ESX1. I had watched the ESX1 demo video on sonicstate.com and the guy basically did the exact same effect in the video that Dilla did with the lead synth on that song! Definitly check the video out. Plus the ESX looks like it has a recycle type funtion to auto chop samples.


Blue Haze wrote:Cuz I`ma do me ***** love that song and yeah you are right about that ESX filters and effects it is nice. Madlib has one too.
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By Smoove03 Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:12 pm
TheFirstJimBo wrote:
BassLINE wrote:LOL@"Jay-Dee is THE #1 reason why I spend an extra THIRTY MINUTES on drum selection after the sample is done."

9TH said this?? What a lying b*tch. That n*gga uses the same drums on virtually every track he does.

F*ck outta here with that sh*t!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:


lol
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By Dabzznsgva Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:03 pm
C-Toon,

Thanks alot for a very helpful post!!
The Electribe or whatever looks really cool. but im definately not going to be picking up anymore hardware until i perfect using what i got. But that basically explains it... listening to lwfc right now... damn. dilla was amazing. such a shame.
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By c.toon Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:27 pm
np dude

By sbtst6 Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:16 pm
What is lwfc?

But the ESX1 i definitly think does explain the sample tweeking.

Dabzznsgva wrote:C-Toon,

Thanks alot for a very helpful post!!
The Electribe or whatever looks really cool. but im definately not going to be picking up anymore hardware until i perfect using what i got. But that basically explains it... listening to lwfc right now... damn. dilla was amazing. such a shame.
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By c.toon Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:45 pm
you know that you dont NEED to quote everytime, right? :P
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By Florre Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:52 pm
sbtst6: lwfc >> = probably "Like water for chocolate", Commons album with a lot of Jay Dee productions.

damn those abbreviations!
:x

By sbtst6 Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:53 pm
Yeah, I know. Sorry about that.