Kanye article / Sampling code of ethics.

These cats are talking about samples. Not kicks and snares. That Jahiem track is biting the loop, not the drums. Your Pete Rock quote, is about a horn. These things are dead obvious. That JLO ish is wack. But these are straight loops. Nobody is going to talk about drums which is what this whole thread is about. If we were talking about a loop, then yeah, I would agree with everything you had to say.We all dont want to bite and be original, but we all are influenced by someone. Someone or some song made us like this music for us to love it so much. Alc said he wouldnt bite but he'd take it and flip it. And he was talking about a loop. So I guess we shouldnt have respect for him now then huh.
Its all good though man. I respect good music. I dont respect that JLO ish as good music, but I thought that Beatnuts ish was hot. That's as far as I'll go as far as saying someone is actually biting. Its like I'm not gonna stab somebody if they sample one of my high hats

BTW..Didn't anybody notice that pete's tracks got dirtier when he started using the mpc2000 and not the SP1200 as much. His drums tracks started to sound thick and with very little midrange, like primo's tracks. Even the way he started to cut when he was on the radio, Future Flavas with Marley Marl, a couple of years ago sounded very similar to what Primo used to do when he was on WBLS.. He would cut the power off of the turntable, and spin it back real slow then play back the line on the second turnable. It sounded hot when Primo did it but wack when Pete did it? Did anyone else notice this?

Influence is a muthafvka!!!

Peace

That's my thing. Here's a pro that says that he would sample someone else but flip it his way. But you have these cats (who are NOT professionals and have no catalogue) nitpicking over simple drum hits. Silly. The point is that you should use whatever you have at your disposal to achieve your goal. Don't limit yourself because of some unwritten (and likely nonexistant) hiphop producer code of ethics.

BassLINE wrote:Just to clarify, PF Cuttin & Outloud produced "Danger" and used "Come Clean". Not Premier.

Grand Wizard Theodore introduced scratching, not Kool Herc.

thanks, I slipped.... I know Premier did a remix at least though......and I wasn't exactly sure if it was Herc or Theo, thanks for the clarification...

It's not a rule, it's a code, you can follow it or not, you won't be fined or jailed.

Remember that pete Rock interview where he heard his snare in someone else's track, he didn't feel to good about it, but he didn't hate on the cat either.

Since webster's doesn't have a definition on biting, It can't really be proven or disproven. How about a vote? See what the mojority thinks? Is sampling drums from recent hip hop biting?

It would be interesting to see the results.

And yeah, you could say a similar thing about a group of beatmakers on the web thinking it's OK, so that point is moot.

make a poll chief

elmacaco wrote:Remember that pete Rock interview where he heard his snare in someone else's track, he didn't feel to good about it, but he didn't hate on the cat either.
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More nonsense, How can he claim a snare as his if he SAMPLED IT??? I could see if he miked up a drum set, but to take a snare off of another record and call it your own is STEALING......also with the thousands upon thousands of snare drums in the world, how can he decipher one drum sound to be his?? On a sound module sometimes you can't even tell the difference between 3 or 5 snares....

Oh Come on! Once someone uses a sample (EG TROY Horns) in hip hop it is pretty much off limits. Sampling the sample from a hip hop record is even more suspect. Using the same drums from the same source is different than sampling a samplist's drums! It's a short cut and unethical.

didnt 9th wonder use TROY on the listening?

elmacaco wrote:Oh Come on! Once someone uses a sample (EG TROY Horns) in hip hop it is pretty much off limits. Sampling the sample from a hip hop record is even more suspect. Using the same drums from the same source is different than sampling a samplist's drums! It's a short cut and unethical.

So you're saying, NO ONE can ever flip that particular horn in a different way????? lmao...........Keep putting limits on yourself buddy....

Word, who's to say they didn't sample that snare from the same source as him?

You can't claim sounds. Two real snare drums with similar tuning will make a similar sound. So if we both sample our respective snare drums can we then accuse each other of biting? That's ridiculous.

Now what the Trackmasters did to the Beatnuts is biting (the jenny on the block fiasco), fuc all this gay shit, trippin over snares & kicks, damn. Maybe early in the game when Marley was first chopping james brown breaks heads would have a right to trip, but now there so many sounds floating out there who gives a ****.

binger0 wrote:didnt 9th wonder use TROY on the listening?

Yeah, the title track, but it was kind of like a bridge. It wasn't a major part of the song, more like when you scratch a hiphop song into yours (except he didn't scratch it in....matter of fact there was no scratching on that album).

He did, however, use the same drums over and over on all of the songs. Great album regardless.

yeah that song was real ill. He did that more towards a tribute for pete and told him he was using that

binger0 wrote:yeah that song was real ill. He did that more towards a tribute for pete and told him he was using that

No doubt, that was one of my fave tracks off the album.

Sure you can flip it, that's why I said pretty much off limits, you better do it really well if you do take it.

It's the act of sampling the drums off the hip hop record that I take issue with, if you happen to get the same ones, no big deal, if they sound similar, whatever, but actively taking drum hits from top 40 Hip hop is straight Lock Jaw.