I never understood the minnie mouse sped up vocal trends

jaem wrote:lolz you gonna respond with some no name goof balls
saying pitching shit up is destroying hip hop???

um, I never said anything was destroying hip hop. And what difference does it make if those guys are no name? you are no name too... I typed up mpc beat in youtube and picked two vids to post. I like one over the other... and my point is that the pitched up vocals are over done.

there is a difference between when rza pitched up samples with vocals and when you hear kanye over doing it. There is also a gap in the time line.

lol.....

yeah aight boss....when u got legend status like RZA you can tell me about what is and is not wack

until then....

jaem wrote:lol.....

yeah aight boss....when u got legend status like RZA you can tell me about what is and is not wack

until then....

and I'll hold you to the same regard, since you are no closer to legend status then I am. cutting the chorus from a soul record and pitching it up double time, throwing a hip hop beat on top of it... you can call that what ever you want. I was saying it is over played.

BGBEATS wrote:I just can't imagine a talented singer " liking" a producer using that much of their vocals yet altering their pitch that much. Seems like a slap in the singer's face like " you don't sound cool enough on this record unless I minnie mouse you up"

I think at one point it was considered creative and I can see how she might have liked what he did... (not to mention the check was prolly nice and they are both from the GO maybe a sense of camaraderie) but just like anything else it sucks ass when it's over done and ran into the ground by every copy cat producer alive. personally i never liked doing that myself even if I liked a couple songs that employed that method. it's not my thing.

If I went to a club and the DJ was playing one of my beats at +16 I'd be pissed, so I doubt any vocalist thinks pitching up their vocal sounds good.

Either way, in most cases I think it sounds wack.

I'm certain no one can speak to someone elses likes / dislikes and preferences. she said she digs it.. who can prove otherwise.

Coz wrote:If I went to a club and the DJ was playing one of my beats at +16 I'd be pissed, so I doubt any vocalist thinks pitching up their vocal sounds good.

one way to put it

Coz wrote:If I went to a club and the DJ was playing one of my beats at +16 I'd be pissed, so I doubt any vocalist thinks pitching up their vocal sounds good.

Sure... but Funky Drummer being sampled, pitched, tweaked and abused has led to how many new genres and sub genres? Clyde Stubblefield seems to be pretty happy about it and he got zero compensation. Or is that somehow different?

I think you need to have some context... just saying +16 (or whatever number) kills your song... how do you know? It might put a whole other spin on it and make you think... "damn why didn't I think of that?!" At least the good DJ's typically know how to treat the material to bring out the best and shake the house.

Regardless... DJ'ing, sampling, internet stations, starbucks radio... they all take what they want to evoke a mood/atmosphere that quite likely has *nothing* to do with what the original artist intended. I'm pretty sure Bach wasn't writing music that kids wouldn't like, so that McDonald's could play it to keep the younger riff raff 'off their lawn' so to speak. At some point, you put your music out there and you just have to let it go and become it's own thing. Or you can just keep it for yourself I guess.

Any drummer out there would be happy to have their playing featured on countless thousands of records, but I'm guessing most of them would want paying! I take your point about new styles emerging from speeding up breaks... 200bpm Jungle anyone?!

Back in the early 90s I didn't like pitched up vocals in Hardcore, and it's not a style I like in Hip Hop either. Just personal preference.

And have you ever pitched up a track to +16% and thought it still sounded good?!!

Coz wrote:And have you ever pitched up a track to +16% and thought it still sounded good?!!

Whole thing... no.

There are sometimes parts that you can salvage from the wreckage though

Coz wrote:Back in the early 90s I didn't like pitched up vocals in Hardcore, and it's not a style I like in Hip Hop either. Just personal preference.

fookin rave chipmunks!

Liam Howlett has always managed to pull it off well though

When you use it as a gimmick , it's gonna sound like a gimmick. When it's done out of necessity cause the sample was too slow , then let it rock .

Coz wrote:If I went to a club and the DJ was playing one of my beats at +16 I'd be pissed, so I doubt any vocalist thinks pitching up their vocal sounds good.

Either way, in most cases I think it sounds wack.

Premier sped up all the classic gangstarr joints when he was in Amsterdam. Didn't sound nice.

^^^Battle DJs speed up, slow down and break the isht out of all genres of records and still make them sound good. Hip hop heads go nuts for it and I am sure fans or maybe even artists of the originals think it's atrocious (probably the way some do about sampling in the first place). As many have said it is in the ears of the listeners. But then again overkill has it's own flaws.

poundaproblem wrote:Gotta disagree with yall on this one, theres some dope sh*t to be made from pitching up. Granted Kanye's through the wire joint is an example of overdoing it but overall, when done right it can be as dope as any other sample

I agree. You can create some great stuff by pitching down as well. My favourite example is the vocal on this Burial track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmW_r3XK2HA