How many of you 'sidechain' ?

jimmie wrote:So you don't use a sidechain for de-essing or ducking?
That's news to me then.

As for keying, yes, well, we all know what the OP meant though don't we.

Wal Martian wrote:What about pumping? and triggering? Can de-essing be done by other means than a compressor?

bliprock wrote:...you have no idea at all of what you are talking about. tough love time kids.

Honestly, stop splitting hairs regarding the nomenclature surrounding sidechain compression. You could be trying to school someone with more experience and knowledge than you, making yourself sound foolish in the process.

Wal Martian wrote:Can de-essing be done by other means than a compressor?

jimmie wrote:So you don't use a sidechain for de-essing or ducking?
That's news to me then.
As for keying, yes, well, we all know what the OP meant though don't we.

bliprock wrote:ya must of misunderstood me. I did not say that at all. Keying does not use sidechain.

bliprock wrote:Least I know what ya mean when ya say super sucking.... yeah and it does suck usually. Though for some styles I think it kinda works, but this might be cos it is popular in some styles and I am used to it.
And I think some compressors sound ok when pumped hard, it has its own sound, from distortion and artifacts inherent in the electronics when this happens. Except when it is done badly. Not to be confused with the loudness wars of course.

damien907 wrote:so when it goes into your mixer, you just get sidechaing in real time right? (by this i mean you are only monitoring your bass ducking when your kick hits) but thats about it unless you wanted to route the main LR output of your mixer to your audio interface or multitrack recorder. (and then actually record it)

so i guess my question is, since you can monitor your sidechain stuff, can you also multitrack your beat to your daw, or multitrack recorder with the sidechain enabled?
ie, simply sidechaining is useless to me if you are just monitoring the final output (your kick and bass that your sidecahining, or the kick that you are adding a 60hz sinewave to it) within the rest of the mix. its useless to me because i want to be able to actually mix the song after recording the "sidechain" on the way in. (ie, so i wont have to do the sidecahining within my DAW, i can just do it while im tracking into it and not have to worry about it later.)
so when your tracking your beat into your daw/recorder, you can get the sidechaing done "pre-mix-stage?" then when everything else is tracked to its separate tracks, and your ready to start mixing your song, you dont have to fuss with sidechaining the bass to the kick (from within your DAW because you have already done it when tracking in) and worrying about the slight delay that it will introduce to your kick and bass if you were to go out of your interface, into your hardware compressor, then back into two new tracks in your DAW after you had already tracked in

jimmie wrote:also, ducking (a bass to a kick) or a radio voice to a background track, is the same thing in both situations, both of them are using an external source to modify the dynamics of a seperate track. ie when the bass drum hits, the bass gets softer so it cuts through, or when the radio announcer talks, the back ground music gets softer to let their voice cut through.

damien907 wrote:the reason i ask this is, if i ever got a RNC, i would like to utilize the sidecahin input while tracking in, because if i did it after i already tracked my beat, it would introduce a slight delay because of having to go out of the output, into the compressor, the out of the compressor and into the input of a new track on my DAW.

damien907 wrote:@blip, i dont know if you were directing your sidechain statements at me or not, but believe me i know what sidechaining is, and i dont need a lecture about it. chill out man.
what i was asking sciguy was more about his actual setup than how to sidechain. if i didnt explain that well enough, then i will try to re-iterate here i added some extra points to my quote below:

damien907 wrote:so when it goes into your mixer, you just get sidechaing in real time right? (by this i mean you are only monitoring your bass ducking when your kick hits) but thats about it unless you wanted to route the main LR output of your mixer to your audio interface or multitrack recorder. (and then actually record it)

so i guess my question is, since you can monitor your sidechain stuff, can you also multitrack your beat to your daw, or multitrack recorder with the sidechain enabled?
ie, simply sidechaining is useless to me if you are just monitoring the final output (your kick and bass that your sidecahining, or the kick that you are adding a 60hz sinewave to it) within the rest of the mix. its useless to me because i want to be able to actually mix the song after recording the "sidechain" on the way in. (ie, so i wont have to do the sidecahining within my DAW, i can just do it while im tracking into it and not have to worry about it later.)
so when your tracking your beat into your daw/recorder, you can get the sidechaing done "pre-mix-stage?" then when everything else is tracked to its separate tracks, and your ready to start mixing your song, you dont have to fuss with sidechaining the bass to the kick (from within your DAW because you have already done it when tracking in) and worrying about the slight delay that it will introduce to your kick and bass if you were to go out of your interface, into your hardware compressor, then back into two new tracks in your DAW after you had already tracked in

the reason i ask this is, if i ever got a RNC, i would like to utilize the sidecahin input while tracking in, because if i did it after i already tracked my beat, it would introduce a slight delay because of having to go out of the output, into the compressor, the out of the compressor and into the input of a new track on my DAW.

also, ducking (a bass to a kick) or a radio voice to a background track, is the same thing in both situations, both of them are using an external source to modify the dynamics of a seperate track. ie when the bass drum hits, the bass gets softer so it cuts through, or when the radio announcer talks, the back ground music gets softer to let their voice cut through.

bliprock wrote:

damien907 wrote:also, ducking (a bass to a kick) or a radio voice to a background track, is the same thing in both situations, both of them are using an external source to modify the dynamics of a seperate track. ie when the bass drum hits, the bass gets softer so it cuts through, or when the radio announcer talks, the back ground music gets softer to let their voice cut through.

bliprock wrote:o and Jimmie, no i am not being pedantic.

jimmie wrote:You are bent on preaching to people who already know their shit.
I say put a sock in it.