Talk me into keeping the mpc...

butcher wrote:wut a ridiculous post.

jontakiff writes:

"However my problem here is that being the guy who can get the projects done quick and who can bang out X,Y, and Z project for people is FREAKIN' BORING."


bang out x, y and z projects is an art also. imagine the practice you get when you bust out a few jingles a day. when it is time for your own project do you think bang out x,y and z project will help with a better production of your own project?

jingles have no soul....

Computers may be the future of the music business, but not the future of art.

The Business model is taken too far, businesses are at the heart of what destroyes anything it touches. 'look at the environment. Computers fit with this numbers view, since they are abstract 1's and 0's.

Bush is our first MBA President, and look at all the shit he's gotten us into.

To answer your question, no it wouldn't really help. Granted it might make some things go faster...but first of all, since when is faster better? And second of all, maybe there is an art to writing jingles, but let's be real...when was the last time anyone wanted to hear a jingle? Yeah, that song in that mouthwash commercial really got me hyped up...right. If it is art, it's bad art.

This, of course, proves my point that something like banging out jingles is just like any other job. Your job as a jinglewriter would be to help provide the backdrop so that some company can convince people to buy some crap they don't really need. Now I'm not mad at that cause I go to work too and just like most other things, the end result is to try to convince someone to buy something. What I am mad at is how people confuse art and commerce. It doesn't help when people like David Bowie or the Stones sell songs to Pepsi or whatever. Pepsi is not a lifestyle, Pepsi is not a state of mind...they put brown poojuice in cans, it's really that simple. But what the hell, no one cares that a moron who brags that he doesn't read the newspaper is running the country, so I guess people don't care.

What I'm saying is that this "time is money" crap needs to stop. It's crap. Crap. In fact, in case I haven't made myself clear, I think it's crap. What am I on the goddamn clock here? And an even bigger load of crap is this crap about taking the fastest space ship to get there...what? How about trying to do something REALLY GOOD instead. How about trying to push limits.

That's all I'm saying. If you want to make jingles, I suggest you get the fastest CPU and most RAM you can afford, learn protools, and be prepared for someone to tell you to make something that sounds like Britney Spears.

pushing the envelope takes time, even in logic.

working quickly can be and is artistic, just as much as working slowly.

however, the less time it takes you to make a track (for whatever reason) the more time you have to make the next track.

Its just a fact, like it or not, that working quickly is how you make money in this game. (if you dont want to play the game or make money, cool, and more power to you. but that and the pay check form your day job might pay the bills. id rather push the envelope and get paid, thanks).

Sorry. It sucks, I know.

But thats it, and I dont care if you are writting jingles or Jay-Z's next record.

If you work slow, someone else can do it better, faster.[/

Well the last song I wrote was done in 30 minutes, using the 60 and about 6 other modules. The recording process takes me longer than just bouncing down the tracks in logic or nuendo from VSTi's and such, but I just don't think the production line mentality meshes well with the creative process. Art has existed without it for millenia, and the art that has it isn't necessarily superior.

And if you do use the business model, you have to take into account the laws of traditional economics. Others will make more money than you on your art, or else it would not be purchased (selling beats, engineering, etc.)
Plus, the faster you work, the less you are getting paid if it an hourly basis, or course work to slow and you won't get paid at all, but it isn't slow vs fast, it is fast vs faster.

elmacaco wrote:Well the last song I wrote was done in 30 minutes, using the 60 and about 6 other modules. The recording process takes me longer than just bouncing down the tracks in logic or nuendo from VSTi's and such, but I just don't think the production line mentality meshes well with the creative process. It can and it cant. Andy Warhol, for example, was a good example of the production process and art being entwined.

Art has existed without it for millenia, and the art that has it isn't necessarily superior. True. But one major difference now is that artists used to have sponsors (usually the church). We are now firmly in the post-industrial captialist model, where your only sponsors are the consumers.

And if you do use the business model, you have to take into account the laws of traditional economics. Others will make more money than you on your art, or else it would not be purchased (selling beats, engineering, etc.)
Yep.

Plus, the faster you work, the less you are getting paid if it an hourly basis, or course work to slow and you won't get paid at all, but it isn't slow vs fast, it is fast vs faster. True in part, thats why you want part of your contract to be by "song" not by the hour.

I think we are on the same page for the most part.

ya elmacaco good breakdown

I personally feel like alot of people talk about pushing the envelope when they don't even know what the envelope is in the first place

When you learn the envelope, you can effectively push it no matter what your using (within "reason"), its not the equipment pushing the envelope its the skilled user that pushes it

I would like to add!!!

on using the Machfive Software i programmed the same beat back in the MPC last night (and handz down) the mpc whiped it's ass in feel. The Sound is quite close not like the EXS24.......but the MPC will always groove far better then any soft sampler.

I also agree with the timming issues in logic.

Sounded better using MPC Templates in logic.



what you could do is program the beats on the 2000 then midifile it into Logic 6 then transfer the MPC program and soundz into the MACHFIVE so you can edit the shit out of the beats. Remenber Machfive reads MPC3000/2000/5000/6000 Files/ ASR/EMU/ROLAND/WAV/AIFF/SND/ The list goes on.

Also does anyone use Digital Performer (word is that the midi is tight) also has the Linn groove quantizes standed.

Iceberg-Slim wrote:I don't see many people that have used their MPC for a good period of time (the ones who actually bothered to read the manual) and not have MPC withdrawl when they get rid of it

Amen to that!
whallll! uhg!
BTW I like digital performer midi wise. But that was when I was traking things to a rack of adats.

how did this thread get so long??

let him get rid of his MPC and make some young kid who loves hardware happy!