vinyl only dudes?

maara wrote:1) there are no vinyl shops at all in my country

I bought a wicked Freq Nasty 12" in Prague a few years ago - I would have bought more but I didn't have a bag to bring records back safely on the plane

maara wrote:i would buy old vinyls - they have a soul...
the problem is that:
1) there are no vinyl shops at all in my country
2) the best material for me is mostly from 50-80's from the usa but there are no such records being sold in my country
3) our national music from "oldschool" years really sucks....
4) i don't know if there is some record e-shop where I can buy some old soul, blues, swing etc. and they have previews on the web (probably there is no such eshop to buy vinyls from)

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< - - I am ****ed

Thanks god I can download such material in mp3.....

So much misinformation, dude. Your "national music" does not suck. Gustav Brom has some heat, Jazz Q, etc. Your neighboring countries produced a lot of good sh*t, too. Poland being the most obvious one. I'm sure that some of those records made their way into the Czech republic. And "no vinyl shops at all" is a flat-out lie-- I've visited some of those non-existant vinyl shops myself. Also, you need to hit up flea markets, second hand book stores... Get your fingers dirty and stop whining

you know you're not trying hard enough when tourists school you on buying vinyl in your own country!

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:

maara wrote:1) there are no vinyl shops at all in my country

I bought a wicked Freq Nasty 12" in Prague a few years ago - I would have bought more but I didn't have a bag to bring records back safely on the plane

You probably don't remember where the store was, do you?



anyway thanks for all your answers - you motivated me again - I probably gave up too easily...

thx wrote:

maara wrote:ome old soul, blues, swing etc. and they have previews on the web (probably there is no such eshop to buy vinyls from)

try here:
http://www.recordjunkie.com/stores/view/392
but maybe you already know this spot...

try discogs.com
or ebay
don't know...

Thanks!!!

Well, I hate to burst an already ruptured bubble here, but I've stressed this before about learning how to make your own music.

Now I know everybody can't play keys or whatever it is you play, but at some point, things are going to lead that way one way or another.

Yeah, vinyl is pretty much prehistoric imo and it's an avenue I never took the pleasure to venture around.

At times I do wish I had gone that route, but the more I got into learning how to play, the less I relied on looking that way.

Playing doesn't have the restrictions associated with sampling from the way I see it.

maara wrote:You probably don't remember where the store was, do you?

sorry, no - I'll have a think and see if I can remember

maara wrote:i would buy old vinyls - they have a soul...
the problem is that:
1) there are no vinyl shops at all in my country
2) the best material for me is mostly from 50-80's from the usa but there are no such records being sold in my country
3) our national music from "oldschool" years really sucks....
4) i don't know if there is some record e-shop where I can buy some old soul, blues, swing etc. and they have previews on the web (probably there is no such eshop to buy vinyls from)

^
^
< - - I am ****ed

Thanks god I can download such material in mp3.....

Thats not true! You'll have to dig deeper. I'm not sayin no names but there are really great records from your country!!

peace

I probably hit every record shop in Praha while I was living there as a DJ. It's also likely that they are all closed now.

DiskoDuck is a great one over by Staromestka.

Fozny was another one in Zizkov.

Sunshine People was a cool one near Karlovo Namesti.

Finally, there was a more 'old school' one in that little mall area at Vaclavske Namesti.

I will admit, all of these were very hard to find, usually in a basement or through a garage and up some stairs (in the case of Fozny).
Again, there is a high likelihood that all of those are now closed. Popular (dance/hiphop) records were much more expensive there than in most places. Old records though, were very cheap...and those are likely what you want. I picked up Smetana Ma Vlast on eight 78's for 100kc, in amazing condition.

Just don't give up, and use these limitations to push your creativity to a higher level.

dabmeister wrote:Playing doesn't have the restrictions associated with sampling from the way I see it.

Isnt this the reason we still use mpc's when I could just cop reason and a midi controller and "learn to play"?

Ive "learned to play" my mpc like it was any other instrument. It helps, but I dont HAVE to know chord progressions and scales and the circle of fifths, etc. to smash pads and make sounds work together.

You dont know how many "musicians" would consider sample based producers non-artists. **** your guitar solo, Ill chop it, flip it, and serve you a beatdown with your own riffs. I worked in a music store, and 90% of the "musicians" I worked with only played cover songs, and then hated on me for trying to innovate.

No hate Dab, but c'mon man!

nogginj wrote:I probably hit every record shop in Praha while I was living there as a DJ. It's also likely that they are all closed now.

DiskoDuck is a great one over by Staromestka.

Fozny was another one in Zizkov.

Sunshine People was a cool one near Karlovo Namesti.

Finally, there was a more 'old school' one in that little mall area at Vaclavske Namesti.

I will admit, all of these were very hard to find, usually in a basement or through a garage and up some stairs (in the case of Fozny).
Again, there is a high likelihood that all of those are now closed. Popular (dance/hiphop) records were much more expensive there than in most places. Old records though, were very cheap...and those are likely what you want. I picked up Smetana Ma Vlast on eight 78's for 100kc, in amazing condition.

Just don't give up, and use these limitations to push your creativity to a higher level.

many thanks for info!!

hej, there is no record shops in my country too, but still i can dig soviet pop! nobody but me and ~100 producers for whole country able to dig this. nobody needs any vinyl so usualy i get records for free.. but sometimes i pay less aprox. 0.3-0.5$ for one.

jonestown massacre wrote:

dabmeister wrote:Playing doesn't have the restrictions associated with sampling from the way I see it.

Isnt this the reason we still use mpc's when I could just cop reason and a midi controller and "learn to play"?

Ive "learned to play" my mpc like it was any other instrument. It helps, but I dont HAVE to know chord progressions and scales and the circle of fifths, etc. to smash pads and make sounds work together.

You dont know how many "musicians" would consider sample based producers non-artists. **** your guitar solo, Ill chop it, flip it, and serve you a beatdown with your own riffs. I worked in a music store, and 90% of the "musicians" I worked with only played cover songs, and then hated on me for trying to innovate.

No hate Dab, but c'mon man!

Well, another way of putting it would be...it takes more effort in putting together a tune if it's all sample based as opposed to just going at it from the top of your head with ideas and just laying them down.

Doesn't the process of editing, timestretching, pitching, or whatever it takes to get a sample to fit or work for a tune take time? I mean, I'm not hating on the art itself because I think there has been some nifty work done with flipping stuff or incorporating it into a compo to liven it up or take it to another level.

And after spending time at my boys crib last night, we had this discussion about samples and their ability to fit or work for a tune. He had some stuff he let me hear and it sounded like it was going to be hot until whatever added bass line came in and threw it all off.

I told him that the key signature his bass part was in wasn't matching or fitting with the rest of the tune. So I played out what I thought or sounded like what should have been laid down and he agreed that he liked it. I then suggested that he pick up his bass again and re-learn his key signatures.

I think it would have been much easier to play out what it is he was looking for, sample it, then incroporate it into the project.

Done deal!

Yeah but you cant blame it on him for not knowing musical theory. I mean sure it would help but when the music play and you try to find something that could fit the most important thing is not the theory but the ear. Some people dont have theoretic knowledge but they just have ears that will hear if something is off scale although they dont know they feel it. Its like an instinct.
Some people dont feel it (that is something I couldn't understand. maybe cause I'm one of those that have a good "feel" of music) and theese are the ones that couldn't lay down a bassline under a loop (for example).

So. Yes. Theory and know how to play COULD be helpful for SOME kind of people. IMO

peace

peterpiper wrote:Yeah but you cant blame it on him for not knowing musical theory. I mean sure it would help but when the music play and you try to find something that could fit the most important thing is not the theory but the ear. Some people dont have theoretic knowledge but they just have ears that will hear if something is off scale although they dont know they feel it. Its like an instinct.
Some people dont feel it (that is something I couldn't understand. maybe cause I'm one of those that have a good "feel" of music) and theese are the ones that couldn't lay down a bassline under a loop (for example).

So. Yes. Theory and know how to play COULD be helpful for SOME kind of people. IMO

peace

Agreed! And that's pretty much how I go about it these days anyway...using my ears. TBH, I've forgot most of what I've learned 25 - 30 yrs ago theorywise, but the most important thing that stuck with me was listening and picking up key sigs at a moments notice.

Kinda need to do that when you're put in a situation and you don't know a particular tune. But then the other keyboardist or guitarist that knows the chords or whatever calls out what it is you need to play.

So instead of struggling with it, you go about jotting down the chords, notes, or whatever you need to do to remember it and take it from there. And 9 outta 10 times I'm not going to write anything down because I'll just remember the progression or whatever and keep it in mind. But that 1 time is because the progression may be so complexed that I have no other choice but to take notes so I don't waste anybody's time and we all can move forward with what it is we're working with.