what did JDilla do to his drums???

people are so narrow minded. get over yourself. just because i may use a dilla mixing technique or dig timbo's rhythms doesn't mean i bite their style. you know how many did it before them?

i wish i sound like a dilla-copy

Jeremy wrote:dilla mixing technique w/ timbo's rhythms

Sounds like a brand new style right there...

man this is still going, whats so bad about learning a new production trick every now and then, jdilla had engineers helping him create his sound he might not have even came up with this side chaining effect, all you do is put the samples (that you want to suck with the kicks) through a compressor then put your kicks from your drum patterns into the sidechain in part of the compressor, you can do it in reason alone, thats the gist of it. now expand on it people, now i dont want to hear this effect on all the beats in the your music section lol, just because you want a new production trick in your arsenal doesnt make you a biter because you can use it in your own way and expand on it, i really used to love jdillas style so much until i started listening to the original songs he sampled on youtube i was pretty disappointed to hear that he just loops big chunks most of the time (not all the time) i still like him tho.

rare wrote:i wish i sound like a dilla-copy

me too...

spinxy wrote:man this is still going, whats so bad about learning a new production trick every now and then, jdilla had engineers helping him create his sound he might not have even came up with this side chaining effect, all you do is put the samples (that you want to suck with the kicks) through a compressor then put your kicks from your drum patterns into the sidechain in part of the compressor, you can do it in reason alone, thats the gist of it. now expand on it people, now i dont want to hear this effect on all the beats in the your music section lol, just because you want a new production trick in your arsenal doesnt make you a biter because you can use it in your own way and expand on it, i really used to love jdillas style so much until i started listening to the original songs he sampled on youtube i was pretty disappointed to hear that he just loops big chunks most of the time (not all the time) i still like him tho.

I agree, its not like he invented the technique of sidechaining.

to be perfectly honest i dont care who sounds like who cuz the only thing new is forgotten. and how come a spirited debated always degrades into masturbatory sh!t talkin after 2 and a half pages?a any way one should never bite the next man's style, BUUUUUUT dig this. as an painter, you must study the life stories of legends such as van gogh and picasso, when you are educated as to their history, the next step is duplicating their work. That's right, duplicating their work, COPYING them. for the assignment, if you dont bite picasso to the last detail, you get chewed out cuz u didnt copy well enough. however, if ur teacher assigns u the task of painting an orignal idea, she'll chew you out is she sees you bitin another artist in any small detail. the point is, whether it's architecture, makin beats, or shootin a 3, ur gonna take notes from the best in the business or you are: A) a prodigy who was born with all the skills and knowledge neccesarry for them to succeed in their field, or B) a dumbass who's sitting around, 30 years old, waiting for ur prodigal gene to kick in and take u to the top.

if you are in this for any of the right reasons i know u consider urself an artist. good artists steal, bad artists copy, and ALL artists study those before them intently because it is amassing a large arsenal of TECHNIQUES, borrowed or created, that allow you to develop YOUR OWN IDEAS to their fullest potential.

epbeats wrote:to be perfectly honest i dont care who sounds like who cuz the only thing new is forgotten. and how come a spirited debated always degrades into masturbatory sh!t talkin after 2 and a half pages?a any way one should never bite the next man's style, BUUUUUUT dig this. as an painter, you must study the life stories of legends such as van gogh and picasso, when you are educated as to their history, the next step is duplicating their work. That's right, duplicating their work, COPYING them. for the assignment, if you dont bite picasso to the last detail, you get chewed out cuz u didnt copy well enough. however, if ur teacher assigns u the task of painting an orignal idea, she'll chew you out is she sees you bitin another artist in any small detail. the point is, whether it's architecture, makin beats, or shootin a 3, ur gonna take notes from the best in the business or you are: A) a prodigy who was born with all the skills and knowledge neccesarry for them to succeed in their field, or B) a dumbass who's sitting around, 30 years old, waiting for ur prodigal gene to kick in and take u to the top.

if you are in this for any of the right reasons i know u consider urself an artist. good artists steal, bad artists copy, and ALL artists study those before them intently because it is amassing a large arsenal of TECHNIQUES, borrowed or created, that allow you to develop YOUR OWN IDEAS to their fullest potential.

you worded it better than I did but that is what I was trying to say. we all copy the first person to make a hip hop beat but we do it in our own way. we make it ours.

Jeremy wrote:

epbeats wrote:if you are in this for any of the right reasons i know u consider urself an artist. good artists steal, bad artists copy, and ALL artists study those before them intently because it is amassing a large arsenal of TECHNIQUES, borrowed or created, that allow you to develop YOUR OWN IDEAS to their fullest potential.

you worded it better than I did but that is what I was trying to say. we all copy the first person to make a hip hop beat but we do it in our own way. we make it ours.

We all can't help but be ourselves at the end of the day anyway.

wisdom7 wrote:everybeatmaker got his own soul.....and even if ya try to imitate or rebuild a 9th wonder j dilla or pete rock track it wont sound like one of them it ll sound like you sound.....
listen to 9th wonder....he said in a interview that a lot of producers had influenced his production style.....like pete rock inspired him on the drumz or j dilla on the bassline....
so for me personaly there's nothin wrong if you are inspired by other top producers in the game....
and think back to the days when pete rock discovered the low End Theory ....a lot of cats usin this technique now a days....so do we bite p.r. when we usin this techniq ?
just be creative and mix differents styles together so you ll get ya own...
.....
thats my opinion

one,
new socrates

agreed. i think i kinda see what everyone is saying.

i love dilla basslines. but i think theres a difference between me interpreting it and doing my own spin on it, and trying to figure out how he did it step by step... but then again.. we all have a free creative liscense to do what ever the fck we want with the music we make. we can sample, steal, borrow, whatever you want to call it. in the end it's about creating something fresh

in the end it's about creating something fresh

word

EducatedHands wrote:in the end it's about creating something fresh

indeed!

Ldizzy wrote:

markusv3000 wrote:check out this video tutorial
http://www.famousbeats.net/j-dilla-drums/

okay for the textures... someitmes.. maybe

but NEVER IN THE WORLD THOSE ARE DILLA FEELIN PATTERNS AHAH

... j dilla simply didnt quantize... thats what he did...

Not entirely true. Depending on his feel at the time he would not quantize or quantize some with swing or quantize. If you listen closely you can tell on some of his stuff he used like a 96th note quantize so that some of the hits not all would be slightly off. Other times he would not quantize at all and that clap or snap would hit just nice and tastefully behind the snare. He was a genius and geniuses rarely stick to one formula.

Lampdog wrote:So, so what if I steal a little Dilla, 9th Wonder, and Timabaland.
= biting


I'll never sound like those three, but I'll sound like me.
good, do you.

So because Dilla used a sidechain compression technique on some of his projects I'm not allowed to use that technique. Because Dilla had laid back human feeling drums I'm not allowed to do that!!!?? Get the f#%k outa here. This cat is crazy. Using the techniques of your inspirations and elaborating on them has been the basis for the evolution of music for hundreds of years. Do your history. Btw if I hear something you do that sounds like any other producer I've ever heard I guess I'll have to call you out for biting right??? Ha lmfao!!

I didn't read the thread yet, but I will later as it looks like a dope one. So sorry if this has been touched on already.

In a Wax Poetics article after JD passed, Qwestlove talked about crashing on the couch at Dilla's crib when they collaborated. He talked a bit about how JD just kinda did stuff his own way and most mornings he'd wake up and JD was already an hour or two into it.

The one thing that stood out was Qwest said JD often used that floor tom you see in all those flicks next to the 3000, and detuned the crap out of it and often miked it for his kicks.