Punchy Snares

I'm looking for that punchy snare and kick combo. I know its a production technique. I know about layering on the MPC and that helps a little with the kicks but I believe their is more to it than just layering. I've tried a behringer compressor but that did nothing. I have some bangin beats kiks and snares and they sound totally different than the sample songs he displays on his web page. Its a production technique. Does any know what I am talking about. Maybe I'm using the wrong compressor. I don't know. I just want that snare to hit me like a kik drum. I have a Triton and the compression FX does help a lot but I just hate having to edit drum sounds on the Triton. Mpc is just more user friendly in the drum department. Any of you MPC gerus got any advice?

Im by far not a guru but what i like to do is mess with the tuning (of a kick) along with layering (may hook it up with a snare). You could really make the crappiest hits [even off the default akai drumset], sound really funky. Hope this helps.

for a punchy snare - ala jay dee from slum village, layer your snares with other sounds such as claps or other high pitched snares - this will fill in the gaps on as standard snare.

you could also try clipping the snares in the trim section or pitching them higher in the parameters menu.

A far better way to get the punch you desire is to compress the snare thru an outboard bit of kit such as a joe meek compressor.

BTW: Does anyone know how lewis parker got his snare so resonate on his new LP?? my eyes blink cos that shit is so loud???

cheers

the M*

I think I've read about layering before, but I'm not sure. This is what I've gathered so far. You bascially set up a drum pad to play two snares, kicks, or a snare and a kick, at the same time. But one has to be clipped by a little. Am I right. Also, what's a joe meek compressor? I mean, obviously it's a compressor, but is it any good? What is the best compressor that I can get for my buck ( being poor and all). If not an external compressor, then maybe a computer program that can be used as a compressor would be fine. Thanks beforehand.

www.hiphopproduction.com - theres articals on compression technique - "check the technique see if you can follow it" - also check mpc tutor.

thas all

m*

If you have an EQ, add some low mids to the snare before you compress it. Also, keep messing with different compressor settings. Even little knob tweaks can make a huge difference in how a compressor makes the snare sound.

like other people I layer, but first I resample to 12 bit. then I sample it into my s900, after tweaking it in the s900, I sample it back into the mpc. I do this for kicks, snares and hats.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/locomotivezmusic.htm

try "face to face" "wake up" and "asteroids"

but how do i do it. I get a Focusrite Trak master i a few weeks..so i can begin to use the compressor.

let's say i sample a kick into my mpc. How do i compress it?

sending it/play it route it to my compressor and record it on DAT. And then sample it back on my MPC?

some help guys

The replies are great!!. What do you fellow MPC'ers think about compression on the computer? I have the Waves Native Bundle Plug-ins. Cost me a pretty penny. Have any of you tried to layer your sounds in say "Wavelab" or "Soundforge" and then add a compression plug-ins to fatten the sound. I think I am going to try and stack some snares, add some compression, maybe mid-lowEQ it a little(like itchyvinyl said), and then stick it back into the MP. Its just a thought. Have any of you had any luck doing it this way?

sure, that works great if you know exactly what sound you're after. Here's another tip for layering sounds in wavelab: if you open 2 sounds at the same time (shift-click two samples in the 'open' dialog) they open up as one stereo-sample. One sample on the right, the other the left channel. (sounds complicated, but just try it and you''l see what i mean)
This is great for hats, claps and rims sometimes, but it can also come in handy for other sounds.
Let's say you layer two kicks this way, add a little compression to the right or left channel, and save the sample as one mono sound. You can get some really good sounds this way.

what do you think. I want to sample drums into my mpc, send it through a compressor (make it punchy) and the i got 2 options:

record it on dat or record it into a akai s900.

and from there sample it back to the 2000xl.


what should i do, i can get my hands on one of them. if i record on dat would it give it a special sound or should i cop the s900?

help me out guys, holler

900, I do this all the time with mine. sample a 12bit layered kick into the 900, then make three separate ones. and go to the programs menus. and layer those on top of eachother, then you can change the filters and tuning on each one and then sample it back into the xl.

kaymir-why not record it directly back to the mpc ?
also i wanted to add that it is not only good to add lower eq to the snare but also to add highs to the kick can sometimes help it stand better in the mix. good idea before compressing.

boogie man you sample it into the 900. Make 3 sounds of them, filter them. and then you al ready do simult mode in the 900 (3 layers) and sample it as one sound back into the XL (the 3 layers as one that is)

and the compressor i want to cop is the ALESIS 3630. aany comment about it guys?


damn love this forum

that is true, makes a fat FAT PHAT kick. check out the drums on "wake up" for a good example of my drumsounds. I also sometimes even layer one of the original 12 bit kicks with the 900 kick. same idea with snares too