For all the cats who dont dig/advocate buying crap recrods

"T1: And that goes back to everything else in hip-hop. If you don't adhere to rules that have been established by the cats that have been at this for years and years, then why do it? For me, making a beat is not as important as me knowing about music and having the record collection to back it up. I'm only as good as my record collection. My next album is going to suck if I don't keep record shopping. If you bypass the time, blood, sweat and tears of record shopping, then you're undermining the whole art of production. You're half-stepping man!"

Quote from Thes One of PUTS

rules are meant to be broken, but I don't agree with either side of the page both are perfectly logical in their own way

I thought the whole point of electronic/dance/hip hop was that there are no rules - surely we leave that to the classical musicians?

yeah and i dont agree that sampling off of vinyl is the only way...or that if you don't your 'half-steppin'......

and whilst its obviously not true for electronic music i dont even think its true for hip hop.....

greg

jpeg wrote:"T1: And that goes back to everything else in hip-hop. If you don't adhere to rules that have been established by the cats that have been at this for years and years, then why do it? For me, making a beat is not as important as me knowing about music and having the record collection to back it up. I'm only as good as my record collection. My next album is going to suck if I don't keep record shopping. If you bypass the time, blood, sweat and tears of record shopping, then you're undermining the whole art of production. You're half-stepping man!"

Quote from Thes One of PUTS

I'm not a People Under the stairs fan anyhow but to limit yourself to just one means of making music is crazy, I mean, at least you should know how to play some sort of instrument or read some notation, you know-the bare knowledge of scales and notes really is all you need.....Imagine what would happen if he lost his records?....thats his crutch......if all you hafta rely on is getting lucky finding some hot sample on wax, then that makes you a bit of a hack.....not knocking sampling of of records cause I do it too but his comment is straight up ignorance.........

I quite like PUTS, nice beats, not a huge fan, picked up the first two albums, they're real nice. I think anyone making Hip Hop knows exactly where Thes One is coming from but at the same time that's his choice, that's his sound. And it works for him, but the more you listen to PUTS the more you realise that Thes does what he does and he does it well but I don't think he pushes himself or the artform. Tracks on the 4th PUTS album would sit quite nicely along side tracks on their 1st. My point is that after a while it just becomes boring.
I recently spent eight hours programming a bass sound on a synth, built it from scratch, then sampled it to my SP808 fcked with the efx and then into the MPC for programming, it sounds real nice and I'm quite proud of it, I haven't heard a bass sound quite like it before.
So Thes if you're out there somewhere should I throw this away cause it's not on vinyl?!?
i don't think so.

good points swiss......

greg

Yo ima use whatever methods available to me, to make shit tight but I really do agree that if u use old records as ur sole sound source then u r only as good ur collection.

MPC tutor ur right there r no rule but there r ethics and best prractices.

lemme post the whole interview.


http://www.prhymemates.com/puts.html

who said there are no rules in hip hop? why is there a time signture? why is there a tempo?

just imagine how your beat would sound if the bass drum is in 17/7 time, snare in 13/2, hihat in 99/1 and bass drum tempo is 25, snare is 48, and hihat is 199.

please, believe it or not if you ever took a theory class they talk about time signture and tempo. therefore, THERE ARE RULES IN HIPHOP.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

mwalker wrote:just imagine how your beat would sound if the bass drum is in 17/7 time, snare in 13/2, hihat in 99/1 and bass drum tempo is 25, snare is 48, and hihat is 199.
GIVE ME A BREAK.

Sounds to me like a Squarepusher song. Hmm...

ok...there are rules and rules...time sigs are a granted.....sound sources are not....

greg

mwalker wrote:who said there are no rules in hip hop? why is there a time signture? why is there a tempo?

just imagine how your beat would sound if the bass drum is in 17/7 time, snare in 13/2, hihat in 99/1 and bass drum tempo is 25, snare is 48, and hihat is 199.

please, believe it or not if you ever took a theory class they talk about time signture and tempo. therefore, THERE ARE RULES IN HIPHOP.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

"There is no excuse to loop a four-four beat. That’s why I like the album and that’s one of the things I’m proudest about; the experimentation with the time signature. Taking 4/4 beats and putting them in a 3,4,5,7. That takes a little bit more thought than just pressing play. Hip-hop has so much more to offer than it’s offering now. Whatever people call it, I am just going to keep on doing it anyway." - DJ Shadow
(taken from an interview at www.solesides.com)

That was 1996!!!

MPC-Tutor wrote:I thought the whole point of electronic/dance/hip hop was that there are no rules - surely we leave that to the classical musicians?

Ko Sine

Some say that DJ shadows goes thru alot of trouble to make elevator music.

I kinda agree