Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By BGBEATS Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:16 pm
If your gonna have the singer's vocals as your hook, why do you gotta make em sound like minnie mouse?

why not let the vocalist's true voice be heard on the track. it's not like it makes it more creative pitching it up like that, (not really skill involved there)and would be more respectful to the artist your sampling anyway

like back on kanye's "through the wire" why make her sound like minnie mouse?


never understood that trend on hooks, on really short almost like stab vocals i kinda understand it sometimes but whole hooks minnie moused out why???
By BGBEATS Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:23 pm
Coz wrote:It's a fad... I thought it was over but maybe not. :?




still hear it happening, never understood it though, seems like would have been easier to just have mike tyson sing ya hooks or a 5 year old girl sing em save $$$
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By dabmeister Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:40 pm
Coz wrote:It's a fad... I thought it was over but maybe not. :?


Same can be said about the low, slow, deep sounding vocals that you hear all the time.
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By Coz Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:46 pm
BGBEATS wrote:seems like would have been easier to just have mike tyson sing ya hooks or a 5 year old girl sing em save $$$



Or Barry White... At least then you could speed up the vocals and it wouldn't sound like Minnie Mouse! It'd cost you some $$$ though.
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By k_roc Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:47 pm
Maybe it's a result of speeding up records to save on sample memory in older machines? Kanye has been known to use the 2000 classic. Maybe he was speeding up his samples to save on memory and thought the chipmunk effect sounded cool.

Regardless, the chipmunk effect is overplayed and generally annoying, just like Kanye.
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By Coz Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:52 pm
dabmeister wrote:
Coz wrote:It's a fad... I thought it was over but maybe not. :?


Same can be said about the low, slow, deep sounding vocals that you hear all the time.



I've not really heard much of that stuff to be honest, but I am pretty good at avoiding shit music.
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By mr_debauch Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:33 pm
k_roc wrote:Maybe it's a result of speeding up records to save on sample memory in older machines? Kanye has been known to use the 2000 classic. Maybe he was speeding up his samples to save on memory and thought the chipmunk effect sounded cool.

Regardless, the chipmunk effect is overplayed and generally annoying, just like Kanye.


my theory is exactly that... you hear people copying kanye west all over youtube with the sped up vocals. Kanye got the style from the RZA who didn't abuse it and kill it and he certainly didn't do it annoyingly and garbage like kanye did. I'm sorry but the chipmunk thing is that annoying IMO.
By BGBEATS Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:48 pm
mr_debauch wrote:
k_roc wrote:Maybe it's a result of speeding up records to save on sample memory in older machines? Kanye has been known to use the 2000 classic. Maybe he was speeding up his samples to save on memory and thought the chipmunk effect sounded cool.

Regardless, the chipmunk effect is overplayed and generally annoying, just like Kanye.


my theory is exactly that... you hear people copying kanye west all over youtube with the sped up vocals. Kanye got the style from the RZA who didn't abuse it and kill it and he certainly didn't do it annoyingly and garbage like kanye did. I'm sorry but the chipmunk thing is that annoying IMO.



I feel like rza did it in a way that made tracks sound more eerie or whatever and I'm glad he did not do it on "can it be all so simple"

after kanye though so many do it like so much like they are scared to just let the singer be heard as normal.

nobody in modern days has any need to speed up samples to save sample memory, it's like now it's on some kind of hip hop beat checklist... like oh wait the track is almost done one more thing to do


minnie mouse the vocal sample.... check
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By mr_debauch Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:52 pm
BGBEATS wrote:
mr_debauch wrote:
k_roc wrote:Maybe it's a result of speeding up records to save on sample memory in older machines? Kanye has been known to use the 2000 classic. Maybe he was speeding up his samples to save on memory and thought the chipmunk effect sounded cool.

Regardless, the chipmunk effect is overplayed and generally annoying, just like Kanye.


my theory is exactly that... you hear people copying kanye west all over youtube with the sped up vocals. Kanye got the style from the RZA who didn't abuse it and kill it and he certainly didn't do it annoyingly and garbage like kanye did. I'm sorry but the chipmunk thing is that annoying IMO.



I feel like rza did it in a way that made tracks sound more eerie or whatever and I'm glad he did not do it on "can it be all so simple"

after kanye though so many do it like so much like they are scared to just let the singer be heard as normal.

nobody in modern days has any need to speed up samples to save sample memory, it's like now it's on some kind of hip hop beat checklist... like oh wait the track is almost done one more thing to do


minnie mouse the vocal sample.... check



yeah like for strings it doesn't make it sound wack... violins and all that. But when I sample something like that I put a lot of effort into cutting around the vocals when I need to pitch it up to the right tune. The guys pitch it to the tune they need and think it sounds good to have it like that. I have a policy (unwritten of course) no chipmunk bullshit in my house...
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By Menco Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:53 am
k_roc wrote:Maybe it's a result of speeding up records to save on sample memory in older machines? Kanye has been known to use the 2000 classic. Maybe he was speeding up his samples to save on memory and thought the chipmunk effect sounded cool.

Regardless, the chipmunk effect is overplayed and generally annoying, just like Kanye.


He is using the ASR10 for his samples. The MPC for sequencing.

I think sampling and using a complete hook isn't creative at all anyway.
Sometimes I use a sped up voice sample because it's in the sample I want to play at a higher pitch.Like maybe an 'oooh'on the downbeat that happens to be there somewhere at the end of ur chop and happens to sound good with the beat. But I never like it when the sped up vocal carries the whole beat or song.
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By padlock Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:51 am
well as an example of a beat i made where i had no option but to use the sped up vocals other than interpolating the whole damn thing(which was my original plan)..

http://www.divshare.com/download/8364731-875

padlock - all i need be (shorter/stage mix)

my team usually start with this track for live gigs.

but as far as keepin it on topic.. if you care to listen, what is the verdict on the sped up vocalz?? (btw, i know the drums need a bit more punch)
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By JUKE 179r Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:13 pm
The sped up minnie mouse chipmunk singing samples made way for the overuse of ma fukas trying to sing and use autotune.
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