^^thanks, you are right on.
this thread has a lot of misinformation and misconception it. flame me if you want but i got to set some stuff straight.
first off, like i said earlier, not every sound has a 'key'. examples include, noise, impulses, and inharmonic tones - guess what, most drum sounds approach either noise, impulsive, or inharmonic tones.
i think yall are confusing 'dominant frequency' with 'key' of a sound.
-niN wrote:But if you use a filter and a lot of resonance it might end up in a diffren key, would it?
it will sound like the note, with highly resonant filter on it. more technically, it will sound like the note, plus one random, overpowering sine wave. one sine wave at one frequency doesn't determine 'key' of a sound. sure you can take this to extremes and annihilate the original sound, but its not like, slap a resonant filter on a B-flat and suddenly it becomes an A.
damien907 wrote:i have found out about magic theater audio and have heard that the goldbaby 808 pack has some tuned drums as well.
there has to be other ones too though.
unlikely. the reason you haven't found many of these is because the whole concept is based on a myth created on internet forums by uninformed talking back and forth until everyone agrees on something that isn't there.
notice how in that video for the drumkit above, they never show you using an 'out of key' drum - you know why? because it would likely work just as well.
read that very SOS article yall keep mentioning...it confirms what ive been saying but its being misinterpreted here:
SOS article wrote:If any drum sample has a prominent pitched element to its sound, there is the potential for that pitch to conflict with the harmonies of the production as a whole
thats a big IF followed by uncertain POTENTIAL. not an ALWAYS.
some drums with certain sounds might sound out of key, but only if the drum has this 'pitched' sound (ie long 808 bass).
consider a drummer, in a band, with other musicians, playing songs in different keys. the drummer doesn't 'retune' his drums with every key change. he never goes, 'oh ****, this next song changes key to A and my hi-hat is in E-flat!'.
it doesnt work like that.
yes, you should experiment with tuning your drums. yes it might help. but thinking 'i have to find the key of this drum beat' or 'i have to have a snare in A-flat' is completely wrong.
homedude above nailed it too by pointing out that anything +/- 2 semitones can just get weird - not to mention, even if there is a pitched element, +/- 2 semitones is enough to bring any note into any major or minor key.
also 'drum tuning' in real life is totally unrelated to 'drum tuning' in a sampler - so lets not even go there.
this is a good subject, and tuning your drums is good practice, but lets try to understand the fundamentals, and not make this more difficult than it is.