are s950 and 12 bit samplers overrated?

I got a 3000 but still its no grim to my drums and was thinking about getting a s950 for drums but no sure if itll be worth it nor if the so called sound is over rated. I got battery and maschine which have the emulation sounds but I know software always lacks in warmth unlike hardware even in the synth catagory.

Don't believe in that stuff! Overrated or not, you have to remember that everyone has a specific sound if you think 12bit is more your style that do it! Im actually looking to grabbing an S950 myself or a MPC60.

if you dig you can find a s900 or 950 for 200 bucks, and to me its worth it. I love how it makes my drums sounds and the ability to route my samples through one output causing it to silence each other out like GPE allows you to do in the 2500 when turning a program from poly to mono. Also you can edit all the key groups at once which is like GPE

I just never heard a real 12bit machine except on dj premires stuff and know he uses a 60 and s950 and I love the sound of that classic hip hop. I do both new high def drums and when ever I can I find drums on records. There are people who have both vintage stuff and maschine and say the emulations are just as good but how can it be if its not coming out a analog converter.And for the record does any one know if the s950 is pure analog or still a digital sampler

Be bold and unique, step forward and create a new sound that people will hold dear. No need to be a facsimile of a by-gone era.

I say skip the S950(no diss intended)

Cheers,
Ian

dmajor100 wrote:And for the record does any one know if the s950 is pure analog or still a digital sampler

No disrespect but it sound sooo crazy stupid. If you want a 950 go and look out for info. At least when you reach the cover of the manual (or even read the front panel of the sampler) you'll read "MIDI DIGITAL SAMPLER".

There is no analog sampler after the late 70s and these predecessors are not samplers in the way WE talk about samplers.

Like I said: no disrespect but some things should be clear before even think about making music with an electronic device. IMO difference between analog and digital should be so clear like the knowledge when you have to cross a traffic light BEFORE you go to driving school.


peace

peterpiper wrote:

dmajor100 wrote:And for the record does any one know if the s950 is pure analog or still a digital sampler

No disrespect but it sound sooo crazy stupid. If you want a 950 go and look out for info. At least when you reach the cover of the manual (or even read the front panel of the sampler) you'll read "MIDI DIGITAL SAMPLER".

There is no analog sampler after the late 70s and these predecessors are not samplers in the way WE talk about samplers.

Like I said: no disrespect but some things should be clear before even think about making music with an electronic device. IMO difference between analog and digital should be so clear like the knowledge when you have to cross a traffic light BEFORE you go to driving school.


peace

If u meant no disrespect u should of not said it sounds stupid.

Ian Canefire wrote:No need to be facsimile of a by-gone era.

Come on man, the New era starts with the old era. Don't forget where it all began, nothing wrong with going back it happens in every situation.

dmajor100 wrote:If u meant no disrespect u should of not said it sounds stupid.

Just take the Knowledge and run with it, whether he called that statement stupid or not he answered your question. I still think you should grab that S950 for the price and that 12 bit sound it delivers. I think its worth it.

The past the future whatever okay im simply talking about if its a good thing to buy a vintahe sampler for its sound and whether its over rated and if the software is 2nd best. I actually did some work on maschine right now and did a lo fi setting at 10khz with distortion and saturation and it did sound nice but is it still emitation of the real deal.check it
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dmajor100 wrote:The past the future whatever okay im simply talking about if its a good thing to buy a vintahe sampler for its sound and whether its over rated and if the software is 2nd best. I actually did some work on maschine right now and did a lo fi setting at 10khz with distortion and saturation and it did sound nice but is it still emitation of the real deal.

well they sound good.. grab one if it's cheap.. keep in mind that retro equipment is old.. spare parts can cost money (maybe more than what you payed for the sampler)

you may not like the workflow.. compared to something modern like the maschine which is quite visual and quick... it takes dedication to get anything out of machines like the s900/s950. It is slower to set up, you are stuck saving on floppies unless you get a floppy emulator which is sort of expensive...

basically, if it is cheap... grab one and try it out.... dont bother just because of the rumor that it sounds good... when you listen to dj premier you aren't hearing a stock 60 and 950... you are hearing the result of it running through a plethora of other gear.

it's hard to say what you should do... if it's dirt cheap get it.. if it's a tool you will really see yourself using (check for youtube videos) then maybe get one if the price is alright... if it's just an expensive non-real time effect box... then skip it.

dmajor100 wrote:I got a 3000 but still its no grim to my drums and was thinking about getting a s950 for drums but no sure if itll be worth it nor if the so called sound is over rated. I got battery and maschine which have the emulation sounds but I know software always lacks in warmth unlike hardware even in the synth catagory.

but the 3k is not 12 bit so why did u buy it for adding grit to ur drums?


u shoulda copped the 60 if thats what u was after so u have no basis for personally evaluating if the shit is over rated or not.

jpeg wrote:

dmajor100 wrote:I got a 3000 but still its no grim to my drums and was thinking about getting a s950 for drums but no sure if itll be worth it nor if the so called sound is over rated. I got battery and maschine which have the emulation sounds but I know software always lacks in warmth unlike hardware even in the synth catagory.

but the 3k is not 12 bit so why did u buy it for adding grit to ur drums?


u shoulda copped the 60 if thats what u was after so u have no basis for personally evaluating if the **** is over rated or not.

I got it cause it was a deal at 600 and its great and does barley change the tone of drums but not like a 12 bit. But like others have said I might get one for cheap and just midi it up with the 3000 and use it to save my drum programs and use the 3000 to save my sequences and other drums like percussion. A whole lot of save on multiple machines and a motif and fantom will be a workout but ill see.

The S950 sound is 'overhyped'. Not overrated.

Off course the 12bit converters sound different than your MPC 3000.

But it's the way you record and edit the samples that will create a certain sound.
You can for instance also get a very clean sound with the s950, almost as if it was a 16bit sampler.

You have to know how to make things dirty with the s950. It's easier to do with the s950 because of it specs and feature set. But you have to put some time in it to accomplish that.

mr_debauch wrote:when you listen to dj premier you aren't hearing a stock 60 and 950... you are hearing the result of it running through a plethora of other gear.

People rarely consider this. It's almost like they think the outputs of the 950 or SP1200 went directly to a vinyl cutter or cd burner!

All things considered I would always go for the most transparent sounding sampler, and then have full control over the various artifacts with layers and processing.