Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By Golden_Era Sat May 25, 2013 11:17 am
Nod,

Gotcha appreciate the clarification. Im still getting a chuckle out of the fact that i have never heard of drumma boy or lex luger. Crazy how different hip hop productions become.
By m56p87 Sat May 25, 2013 3:34 pm
Golden_Era wrote:All i know is if im programming in dbl tempo and i want head noddin boom bap im not quantizing at 1/32 or 1/32t which seems to be implied by some here.


Double the tempo, double the resolution of the quantization. 50bpm 1/16th q x double speed = 50bpm 1/32nd or 100bpm with a 1/16th Q value.. It's actually the opposite of what your saying, 1/32nd quantization would be the only q value worth using as most older machines don't have 1/64th q. But anything below that would be a waste of the double bpm technique. For instance the example I gave above; it woułd be pointless to because you could have just selected 1/32nd.
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By CHOPFYT Sat May 25, 2013 4:40 pm
Another thing that hasnt really been touched on is your bar length if your looping you should double the bars of your usual sequence if you want maintain the same tempo and preserve the sample length so if your working with 2 bar loops at 80 you should extend your loop to 4 bars especially if your working at 1/8
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By nod records Sun May 26, 2013 3:20 am
also, an 8 bar sequence would really be 4 bars, because you are working in double time.


from my original post.

exactly what shank is talking about. in normal tempo verses would be 16 bars, hooks 8 bars, etc... in double time your verses would be 32 bars, hooks 16 bars, etc...

def something to pay attention to if you're working on beats for mc's to write to.
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By peterpiper Sun May 26, 2013 3:47 am
Just to make this topic more complicated :)

First of all: As long as you read this post, forget about the quantize OFF setting. This post is straight about the machines quatize function.

1. If you use the double tempo technique with straight (AKA 50% swing wich means NO swing) 1/16th or 1/8th, you get no benefit from the "doubled" resolution.

2. If you use the double tempo technique with swing quanitize (lets say 67%) there will be a diffence cause the double resolution allow more tics the note can fall on.


Example:
Lets look at normal tempo first (I use the first half of a simple boom zip bo tschak beat: k hks h

quantize at 16th straight (50%)

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.24
001.01.48 Hat
001.01.72 Kick
001.02.00 Snare
001.02.24
001.02.48 Hat
001.02.72

Now with the quatize set to swing at 67% (FYI 68% gives the same result)

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.32
001.01.48 Hat
001.01.80 Kick
001.02.00 Snare
001.02.32
001.02.48 Hat
001.02.80



Now lets double the tempo
quantize is set to 1/8th straight (50% swing)

001.01.00 Kick
001,01.48
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.48 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.48
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.48

Of course, the numbers changed but this is the same beat as one with the normal tempo and 1/16th 50% swing setting

If you change the swing setting to 1/8th 67% it shows

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.64
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.64 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.64
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.64


Nothing unexpected right ? cause we doubled the tempo and so the difference of tics between 50% quantize and 67% also doubles (normal speed 8 tics, double speed 16 tics)

but unlike at normal speed where 67% swing and 68% swing shifts the note 8 tics a 68% swing setting at double tempo shifts the note 1 tic more

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.65
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.65 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.65
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.65

Now this is a place you can't set a note to at normal tempo cause it would be a half tic :)


Not enough confused right now?


OT hint to understand swing:
difference between 50% and 67% = 17%
17% of 48 tics = 8.16 (no deciaml places please :)) = 8

001.01.24 <- 50% swing 16th
+
8 tics
=
001.01.32 <- 67% swing 16th

and (do you remember where the kick was in the first example (normal speed) ? )


001.01.72 <- 50% swing 16th
+
8 tics
=
001.01.80 <- 67% swing 16th

A good read for this is the SP1200 manual (understand swing settings)



peace
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By CHOPFYT Sun May 26, 2013 10:00 am
nod records wrote:
also, an 8 bar sequence would really be 4 bars, because you are working in double time.


from my original post.

exactly what shank is talking about. in normal tempo verses would be 16 bars, hooks 8 bars, etc... in double time your verses would be 32 bars, hooks 16 bars, etc...

def something to pay attention to if you're working on beats for mc's to write to.


:oops:

Apologies i didnt clock that when reviewing the thread

Piper that looks like the real deal fair play for breaking that down in such detail
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By peeping tom Mon May 27, 2013 5:34 am
peterpiper wrote:Just to make this topic more complicated :)

First of all: As long as you read this post, forget about the quantize OFF setting. This post is straight about the machines quatize function.

1. If you use the double tempo technique with straight (AKA 50% swing wich means NO swing) 1/16th or 1/8th, you get no benefit from the "doubled" resolution.

2. If you use the double tempo technique with swing quanitize (lets say 67%) there will be a diffence cause the double resolution allow more tics the note can fall on.


Example:
Lets look at normal tempo first (I use the first half of a simple boom zip bo tschak beat: k hks h

quantize at 16th straight (50%)

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.24
001.01.48 Hat
001.01.72 Kick
001.02.00 Snare
001.02.24
001.02.48 Hat
001.02.72

Now with the quatize set to swing at 67% (FYI 68% gives the same result)

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.32
001.01.48 Hat
001.01.80 Kick
001.02.00 Snare
001.02.32
001.02.48 Hat
001.02.80



Now lets double the tempo
quantize is set to 1/8th straight (50% swing)

001.01.00 Kick
001,01.48
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.48 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.48
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.48

Of course, the numbers changed but this is the same beat as one with the normal tempo and 1/16th 50% swing setting

If you change the swing setting to 1/8th 67% it shows

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.64
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.64 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.64
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.64


Nothing unexpected right ? cause we doubled the tempo and so the difference of tics between 50% quantize and 67% also doubles (normal speed 8 tics, double speed 16 tics)

but unlike at normal speed where 67% swing and 68% swing shifts the note 8 tics a 68% swing setting at double tempo shifts the note 1 tic more

001.01.00 Kick
001.01.65
001.02.00 Hat
001.02.65 Kick
001.03.00 Snare
001.03.65
001.04.00 Hat
001.04.65

Now this is a place you can't set a note to at normal tempo cause it would be a half tic :)


Not enough confused right now?


OT hint to understand swing:
difference between 50% and 67% = 17%
17% of 48 tics = 8.16 (no deciaml places please :)) = 8

001.01.24 <- 50% swing 16th
+
8 tics
=
001.01.32 <- 67% swing 16th

and (do you remember where the kick was in the first example (normal speed) ? )


001.01.72 <- 50% swing 16th
+
8 tics
=
001.01.80 <- 67% swing 16th

A good read for this is the SP1200 manual (understand swing settings)



peace



makes perfect sense.

P
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By Dusty Snares Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:23 pm
NearTao wrote:are you asking how to take a tempo of 96, and run it at 192? You just need to change your BPM. Or are you asking something different?

I was trying to find out how to make 95bpms faster by not switching the bpm from 95.
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By Lampdog Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:34 pm
HTF? Cmon.

Just double bpm, double bars, lower quantize if needed..
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By Dusty Snares Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:39 am
If you listen to jdilla the speed his beats move is faster but reads at 90 or 95 bpms on the bpm reader. I thought thats what double speeding is because on my machine 95bpms is way to slow.

It suppose to make it easier for someone to rap to.
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By Lampdog Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:30 am
Nope. Don’t need to study/research that. I blaze my own trail.
You can too.

Double the speed on your sampler. Double the bars, The way you tap in your beats determine the magic, not the bpm. Following numbers is a fail imo. Follow your own vision.
By 6/8 Stanley Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:53 pm
Lampdog wrote:The way you tap in your beats determine the magic, not the bpm.


Dig it. 90 BPM is quarter notes unless you make it something else. So if you put a "chicka-chicka" tambourine over every quarter note you got some speed.
By Scrawny Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:55 am
I don't think dusty is asking about doubling the bpm to increase the resolution, think he just curious about how to get the groove right on his drums or something.