Why are we the most hated on??

Boom Bap Producers.....

I kinda this term but any way, I was reading the new scratch issue and MannyFresh he was saying the for a long time that People were just sampling snippets and that the south brought in the Chords and Strings and melody,I'm like "***** Please"!!! If I want to hear a Melody or Chords I'd listen to Jazz or Soul or Rock in all there forms, The thing about hip hop is youdon't need melody. Dj Based recording are The BEST WAY TO MAKE RAP,PERIOD!! Check the top 20 Lp's of any hardcore Hip Hop Fan!I mean I think Manny Probably (NEXT to Tim)is the Best Producer Down South, but let's FACE IT 90% of the stuff that comes from down SUCKS!!! In,fact in reallly leading to the demise of "Real Hip Hop" (Other Phrase I'm starting to Hate) Just, think while dudes like lil Jon run around looking like Sambos Rakim the Argubly the best that ever did it was drop my Aftermath and No other label EVEN TRIED to pick him up!!

I don't mean to offend anyone who is from the south, Most of the family
lives in the south or is from the south, and while are some dope Emcee's
down there most SUCK!! I'm not against non sampling artist either. The Roots are one of the bands in the last twenty years and there are others, but to dis sampling and Djing is to forget the last 25 years!!

I'm with you Philly. I love to sample. I've made non sample tracks and sample tracks and my favs are always the ones using samples. Good example is "Breath" by Fab. What a sick track.

Uno/1

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Rap's now a game of chants
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Lately, it seems, the less you put on a record, the more listeners love it.

Some of the biggest hits of the year - including Snoop Dogg's "Drop It Like It's Hot," Terror Squad's "Lean Back," Ciara's "Goodies" and the Twista/Lil' Jon cut "Let's Go" - aren't exactly songs. They're sports chants backed by rhythm tracks. And none has anything remotely resembling a melody.

This anti-tune trend reaches a dizzying high this week with the release of new albums from Snoop and Lil' Jon. Snoop's "Rhythm & Gangsta: The Masterpiece" CD features his nonsong smash "Drop It." Lil' Jon's "Crunk Juice" boasts an even more minimalist sound - if that's possible.

Both CDs should rake it in big time.

"Juice" highlights Jon's basic take on the Southern "crunk" hip-hop sound - namely, a bare techno rhythm tossed under a viciously crude slogan growled by the front man. Nearly every song repeats these country clichés, though some break them up with a heavy metal riff or an R&B chorus to lure in other demographics.

In the last few years, Jon has made a mint off this leering approach, in the process forging the most sleazy brand of hip hop since fellow Southerner Luther Campbell foisted 2 Live Crew on the world.

The new album makes reference to more ho's than in a garden shop, and more bitches than in a kennel. It's so low you almost have to love it - that is, if "Juice" didn't squeeze an already too-familiar formula dry.

Compared to that, Snoop's CD sounds like "Sgt. Pepper."

Even his nonmelody, "Drop It," has a cool enough beat to make tunes seem irrelevant. The Neptunes gave the cut an aquatic rhythm you could float away on. The CD also features lots of hot R&B flourishes - from stars like Bootsy Collins and Charlie Wilson - used to contrast Snoop's ice-cool flow.

Snoop had been coasting on his rep for years now. He dipped further than ever earlier this year when he released a throwaway CD with his not-so-super group 213.

While his new "Masterpiece" isn't any such thing, at least it's a solid piece of hip hop in a year filled with too much crunk

i like making my own melodies. i'll never stop

nuthing wrong with club music in the right context, ie when ur in a club u wanna hear something simple/mindless and silly.

but i think the problem arises when people try to put too much meaning on music that has no meaning. many people are happy to lie to themselves, me personally im staying in the crates and sampling old records cos thats the sound i like to listen too.

i know its fustrating that many seem to dismiss sampling as not creative, but people need to recognise that there are different types of creativity.

the melodies and chords them fools from the south talk about r straight childish and anyone can do that so **** em.

I see you guys are noticing the trends thats good keep your ears to
the streets and this way when come for yours you cant be denied
this is an industry where they observe the reaction from people in
the clubs (SO UNFORTUNATE) because half of them be doped up
out their wits and anything sounds good or looks good to them


Sort of like we are going to train the listeners to like this or these
types of beats most of which are less in terms of musical imple-
mentation I say bang them suckaz upside their heads right quick
and get your money and keep it movin.

Yes these cats are making really hot beats from samples and
I dont know how much they make on the recieving end but
hey they out there and making dough (Kanye) (Alchemist)

I say if you be more innovative and do musically what these
cats can do with samps you got it goin on nuff said.

so you guys dont like playing your own stuff? is that not a good thing to know how to do?

i like sampling sometimes too.

I'd love to play all of my ish with real instruments, but unfortunately I only have a guitar and a crappy keyboard. If I had a bas, drum set, keyboards, synthesizers, percussion, etc. I'd be "sampling" that, and probably never touch another record for sampling.
Just do whatever you need to do to make music you like. But if you're really pressed about having to make "real hip hop" you should stick to the records. I'm mean that's how hip hop started...

I sample and make my own stuff.. I like both. I'll do whatever it takes to make the track work. I don't like the "sports chant" stuff though, it's ok in moderation but now it's everywhere and it's not the hiphop that I know though and love.

yea i feel that. do whatever to make the track work.


works for me

I play classical music ,JazzFusion,Rock,Funk,British Rock Iam not
limited in terms of any one genre this is what separates me from
other hip-hop cats I played in bands since I was 12yrs old back
in 1975 and I have never been formerly taught it's a gift from the
man upstairs I dont have to resort to using a samp.

I sample music with my mind and play what i have learn with my fingers. I came into this game as a sample base beat maker but once i got my hands on some keys and learn more about music theory the less i used others music for mines, unless i could remake it myself. I listen to all types of music from rap to rock to r&b to jazz to techno. If i listen to anything long enuff i will pick something up sooner or later and it will show once i start playing on my keyboard. Funny thing is i have sample base producers who are my close friends that will come to me and ask me to play a part of a song cause they cant sample it or play it thereself. I love people to do what makes them happy. I like having sample base music and non sample base music cause it keeps a good balance now with the music. Remember sample base music kind of died at the end of the 90's cause keyboard beats came around and now its back cause keyboard beats was getting a little boring but with the two together it just overall makes THis music we call hip hop more stronger.

I think what it comes down to is this...Music is an art, and art is a very subjective thing. To say one way of doing it is not right or better than something else is not what it's about...what it's about is if people like it, then it rocks. If not try again To put it in other words it would be like if someone asked you what your favorite ice cream was and you said chocolate and then they said wrong! How can they say that when it's totally a matter of personal prefernce, music and making music is the same way...if you don't like what someones doing then turn the **** radio off!

Smoove03 wrote:so you guys dont like playing your own stuff? is that not a good thing to know how to do?

i like sampling sometimes too.

I love Music plan and simple,but this is HIP HOP! If wanted to make an R&B Record I'd be a singer. Sometimes, I'm more interested when how hard my Drums Sound anything! I like Track that are along the line of Marl or large
Professor more than Say Manne Fresh! I'd Rather hear Scratches in my Songs
than say some Gay sounding Motif preset. Don't get me wrong I like Keyboards(maybe a moog bassline), in the context on What I do... that ol' boom bap! What I'm trying to to say is Hip Hop Does Have to be Musical!!

im sorry that LETS GO song is HOT, i hate lil jon, but that shits hot, bangs hard