Prefuse 73

Just got finished reading a Prefuse 73 article about his new album Surrounded by silence. He stated he did the whole thing with a mpc 2000 and a moog Voyager. Unbelievable!!! Does anybody have any insights on making tracks like his. I'm just trying to learn from him as he's one of the best not trying bite so please non of the BS get your own style crap.

Does anybody have any insights on making tracks like his

!!!!!!!!!!!! how's this for "get your own style ****"



for march 23rd, 2005


oh yes, i also greatly enjoy the musical stylings of prefuse 73. chocking you is one of the greatest electronic hip hop tracks in my opionion.

but back to my original smartass point -
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get your own style.

Well as any REAL musician knows you get your own style by studying all the musicans who have came before you and learning from them. only then can you create a unique style. So stop with the Biting nonsense

only then you can come up with your own style? Hell no man, that's BS.

Most of the guys I hear who make textbook beats at the begining of their learning end up with little of their own soul in their tracks. I think you should learn how to get your ideas out first, then learn how to polish them to get it tighter, sweating someone else is just a waste of time.

kane i was just messinig with you anyway because people's blood boils when they get called biters. plus whenever you specifically ask for people not to do something that you see happens every time something like this comes up is just asking for jokes...so laugh and be merry

I just don't understand that logic. So basically a guitarist shouldn't take lessons or study other players? Composers shouldn't go to colleges like Julliard or berklee to fine tune their craft? It just seems ridiculous to not try an learn more

No sweat Antonym. It is true that everytime I ever ask about someone's style on any board the word Biter comes out LOL

kaneaudio wrote:I just don't understand that logic. So basically a guitarist shouldn't take lessons or study other players? Composers shouldn't go to colleges like Julliard or berklee to fine tune their craft? It just seems ridiculous to not try an learn more

You're talking about goin' to learn something at a school vs copying someone's style That's a big difference chief.I know you have to listen to music to make music but if you do Hip Hop should you only listen to Hip Hop?And should you focus on 1 producer in general if you do?

traditional lessons are to give you the skills to play anything, so you can be given a piece of sheet music and read it and be able to play it.

If you learn other peoples songs you tend to continue to write other people's songs. You can learn an intrument very well without playing other people's stuff, but as far as production goes, you gotta be able to put out what's in you, that takes practice doing just that. making klnock offs of other people's tracks will just waste your time since you can learn the same things and more doing your own stuff, and just listening to other people's tracks will get you what you want, if that's what you want.

I've been around musicians almost my whole life. I know guitarists, singers, drummers, bassists, keyboardists, trumpet players, saxaphonists, DJs, etc. etc. etc.

I do not know one musician who didn't BEGIN the learning process by studying the work of other musicians.
Even if you go to a music school....how do you think they teach classes?....in large part, by studying the work of the greats.

Why should a sampler/sequencer be different than any other instrument?




Hell, this goes for any art or skill.
Do you think students of architecture don't study famous architects of the past?

playing an instrument is much harder to learn takes much more time, many great musicians are self taught, especially the greats (Jimi Hendrix anyone?)

I know plenty of people who studied in great schools and know their instruments well. Ask to hear their music, you might see my point.

It tkaes something different to express yourself as a musician, you can learn all the technical stuff you learn by playing other people's music by playing your own music (except sight reading, but again, that's for session players, if you are a producer, you are not going for that).

It is a waste of time, an MPC is more akin to sheetmusic and a pencil than a guitar or piano, it is geared to write songs on, arrangements, beats, etc. You need to think in that grand picture sense, and get good at putting your inspiration into the music and sequence. Studying other producers that don't really know much more than you do is a waste. put these guys on a pedestal and try to climb them (or ride them), and you'll never be half as good, just another cheap knock off.

Talk to songwriters, they are hardly ever very good at instruments, just enough to get their ideas down and write good songs. Eye on the prize not on some sucker who's closer to it than you.

Self taught muscians like Jimi Hendrix still studied other musicians just because you don't take lessons does it mean you don't learn other riffs etc by ear. I'm not only studying prefuse 73 I study Timbaland, Premier, Shadow, David Axelrod you name it. I was just looking for more insight into Prefuse style because I want to add some of those techiniques to my STYLE of composing. Not to straight bite

Stryke "You're talking about goin' to learn something at a school vs copying someone's style" Um Who's talking about copying someone style?

"That's a big difference chief.I know you have to listen to music to make music but if you do Hip Hop should you only listen to Hip Hop?And should you focus on 1 producer in general if you do?"
UM Who said I only listen to Hip Hop and who said I focus on One Producer only. I don't know if you even read the thread

Also I don't understand why I am being flamed I see thread on here all the time about PRemier, Timbaland, Storch etc etc. I thought this forum was for learning. This thread was supposed to be about Prefuse 73 Style of production not a debate on "Biting"

Does anybody have any insights on making tracks like his.

This is the only issue i see. I dont think theres nowt wrong with learning from other people, i.e you already know he uses an mpc & moog, so ya learned something there.. The problem lies in wanting to sound like the other dood.. And ya never gonna quite pull it off anyway cos its been done! How many covers sound better than the originals ?
Once ya learned the technical s*** then the world truly is ya oyster.. Who did Kool Herc & Africa Bambaata have to learn from? They were innovators same as peeps like Derrick May & Kraftwerk in the non hip hop world. Shadow, another example came out the blue with totally original s***..
Gotta sound different & offer something fresh.. specially in the electronic music world nowadays..
Again just my 2ps

To clairfy again I'm not actually trying to make tracks like his. He just does some incredible things with an MPC and I would like to learn more about his Glitch techniques. I hope that clairfy it for people and if anybody has Insight and want to talk about his production style NOT BITING than please respond. Otherwise start your own thread on biting