getting that original sp 1200 sound

how can i get that true 12 bit sound out of a mpc4000 like getting my snare and high hit crunchy but felt or getting the one horn riff or piano loop real good and smooth but sp1200 styled sound let me know guys thanks

sorry, u need a sp1200..

mpc4000 ain't reproducing that..

Can't the 4000 resample?? I'm sure if you play around with the settings you should be able to do something simular. It won't be exact, but it should come close.

so there IS NO WAY FOR A 12BIT SOUND TO COME OUT THIS THING

I'm not tryin' to be an @ss here,but if you wanted a 12 bit sound why didn't you get a 12 bit sampler?Did you look into the 4k before spending the doe on it?

Just curious.Not tryin' to be rude.

i say sample the sound in your comp and convert it to 12bit then pop it back in the 4k and mess with it more till you get s c lose enuff sounding sound.
afreind of mine mimic'd the 1200 sound on a sp202 sampler it's just known what your doing it can be done

you could sell your 4000 and buy a 1200 and a decent rack. That would be all you'd need.

For instrument samples, like piano and guitar, you can get a sound that's similar to what the SP does when pitching - that grimey ringmod/low bitrate sound - with bit reduction plugins and the like. I've found the lo-fi sampling mode on an SP303 sounds somewhat similar to that too. It's not the same but it's close enough to give the same impression in a mix.

What's harder to get is the way the SP1200 makes your drums PUNCH, and gives that hard cracking bassy pop to kicks, snares and hihats... Nothing else get your sounds like that. If I had to emulate that with other gear I'd try bit reduction > subtle valve overdrive > valve compression > brick wall limiter. Wouldn't sound the same by a long way but would give a pretty tough grungy punch. It would be a b!tch to set up a chain like that for every output on an MPC though... Which is why I have an SP1200.

Just sample at 45rpm and slow them shits down. It's what some producers did do bypass the 1.5 sec sampling time on the sp12

wow i must really be missing out i had no idea 12 bit made any real significant difference in a composition. I guess I was under the impression that it was just hype.

Lampdog wrote:

jpeg wrote:Also older samplers have certain A/D converters that impact the sound giving it a warmer and more punchy feel.

This is VERY true.

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.......................................


OLDER SAMPLERz NOT ONLY SAMPLED at LOW BIT RATES (8, 10, 12) but Had Better Sounding A/D Converters ALSO WHAT IS NOT OFTEN MENTIONED IS these low bit rate samplers often had a NON-VARIABLE FILTER on their input to compensate for their limited banwidth and those 3 REASONS Cause those samples not to sound like other samples ...........................................


1. Bit Rate (Some Also used Lower kHz Resolution 22 etc)

2. A/D Converters

3. Non-Variable Filters


Lowering the Bits only Handles 1 Part of Like A 3 PART ISSUE...........


TRUST THAT


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I HAD POSTED THIS IN THE (12-BIT BASS)..........Spot but I See It FITS HERE Well ALSO...........................

older samplers had horrible a/d conversion. none is better than what we have today. u have a/d convertors that cost as much as a brand new sp1200 cost back in the day. the days when the sp1200 reigned are the days that i hated drums in hip hop. that ish is nasty and not in a good way.

Spec sheet wise, yes they had bad conversion compared to today, but back then the chips they used were the height of the technology, they were made in high end operations, there were no cheap A/D fab houses, just lower models from the high end guys, so the quality was high.

Now we have better technology and specs but a lot of that goes to reducing the cost to manufacture a sellable product, not to make the product as high end as possible. We have people making a/d converters in china with god knows what materials and QC. Now if you are compring apogees or whatever thats one thing, but much of what makes it into the products today are made of lesser materials and with less QC and attention to detail than back then, when only the top end was in business.

And if you don't like the sp-1200 sound you can't be a beat god, sorry but that's grounds for disqualification right there. So is liking swizz beats style triton preset drums

dennison wrote:wow i must really be missing out i had no idea 12 bit made any real significant difference in a composition. I guess I was under the impression that it was just hype.

Not any old 12bit. Just resampling at 12bit will NOT give you the SP1200 sound, far, far from it. Anyone who's ever used an SP1200 will agree. The SP1200 is the most distinctive sounding sampler I've ever heard, and it's hard to emulate with other gear, as I've described above.

I'm the kind of person who can't be bothered by 'mpc3000 sounds better than the 2000xl or 2000xl sounds better than mpc1000' arguments. But the SP1200 just sounds SO different.... What you put in is nothing like what comes out, especially when you pitch sounds. This is not always a good thing when sampling - but if you really need that SP sound... Get an SP.

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The SP does have a specil sound to it that seperates if from other samplers. Sure sounds different than my 60, an 30 and the're both 12bit. I couldn't tell you why it does this, but the SP will always have a special spot in my heart. I like the variable sampling rates on the S950 though...you can work some magic with that feature.