Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By smelvisgoth Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:49 pm
question for mpc users doing their recording w/protools -

what sort of plugin/techinque are you guys using for mastering? i haven't been able to get my beats/songs loud enough when i bounce it down in the past. do you use a maximizer to get this volume without clipping the master? i just bought the BBE Sonic Maximizer plugin but haven't opened it yet...anyone ever heard of that? i was gonna get the waves L1 but it was too expensive. any help would be sick...

jason

By drumtrack Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:56 pm
yeah its good but just open the box and see for yourself
sony oxford inflator was a better option but expensive too. donno how much the bbe goes for

By smelvisgoth Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:12 pm
erkl wrote:i didnt like that plugin much,

Vintage Warmer is my choice... and cheap


erkl - does the Vintage Warmer boost volume?

By smelvisgoth Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:11 pm
erkl wrote:yep, nicley.. as well as compress/limit/eq


how much is it?

By RE:Birth Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:04 pm
back when i was working on PC, i actually dig the bbe maximizer, not necessarily as a mastering plug in, but on making the track sparkle a bit, i used it a lil', but did the mastering on Waves maximizers

By drumtrack Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:26 pm
its a mastering tool but it isnt a limiter or maximizer..

By smelvisgoth Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:38 pm
RE:Birth wrote:back when i was working on PC, i actually dig the bbe maximizer, not necessarily as a mastering plug in, but on making the track sparkle a bit, i used it a lil', but did the mastering on Waves maximizers


so your saying you didn't get a great volume boost? that's basically what im looking to do. (im dealing with limited funds so i'm debating whether or not to keep this thing. as you guys prob know, you cant return software.)

By RE:Birth Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:32 pm
well, with my own, i don't know why(could've been the computer or how i had it setup in the software sequencer)...but whenever it was time to mix it down, the track's amplitude would just drop, and i would have to throw in waves just to boost it back up.

i pretty much used bbe sonic as another eq' device for the highs or lows

By smelvisgoth Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:42 pm
RE:Birth wrote:well, with my own, i don't know why(could've been the computer or how i had it setup in the software sequencer)...but whenever it was time to mix it down, the track's amplitude would just drop, and i would have to throw in waves just to boost it back up.

i pretty much used bbe sonic as another eq' device for the highs or lows


yeah i hear you about the volume drop...i cant get it to a good volume without totally either compressing the hell out of it (not the really sound Im going for) or just jacking the master and totally clipping the track out. i wanted to get the L1 but that waves ish is like 400 bones...

By aliengroover Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:55 pm
BBEs and Aphexes aren't what you think the are. They're basically "sonic enhancers". They have different ways of doing it, but they get similar results. Many guitarists use BBE processors in their rigs, and lots of the sounds in keyboards and modules use Aphex processing to make up for the loss in quality from the data compression necessary to put all those sounds into them. My BBE 264 only gets hooked up when I'm transferring a cassette to CD or disk. It works wonders when restoring old material like that.

The key to remember when using them on anything is that a little goes a LONG way. Too much will just KILL the source material. When done right, it literally sounds like a blanket was taken off of the sound.
Peace

By smelvisgoth Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:28 pm
aliengroover wrote:BBEs and Aphexes aren't what you think the are. They're basically "sonic enhancers". They have different ways of doing it, but they get similar results. Many guitarists use BBE processors in their rigs, and lots of the sounds in keyboards and modules use Aphex processing to make up for the loss in quality from the data compression necessary to put all those sounds into them. My BBE 264 only gets hooked up when I'm transferring a cassette to CD or disk. It works wonders when restoring old material like that.

The key to remember when using them on anything is that a little goes a LONG way. Too much will just KILL the source material. When done right, it literally sounds like a blanket was taken off of the sound.
Peace


so youre talking about the bbe hardware, right? my sh*t is definitely being covered by a blanket right now...
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By TBonus76 Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:12 am
If you do not like the sound of your mixes, limiting/compressing them is the last thing you should worry about. Mastering is a complex process involving a lot more than compressing and limiting. First and foremost, get the mix sounding as good as you can using individual track effects, usually but not limited to EQ, gates, compression, reverb, delay, etc., to target specific problem sounds. Test your mix on diferent speakers and in different rooms to help identify problems you may not be noticing.

A good mix will need very little adjutments made to it in the mastering phase, so if you are not an experienced mastering engineer, your best bet is to poilish up your song by tweaking the mix. If you want to experiment with mastering, keep in mind that there is no one thing that is the magical solution for all songs. Every song is going to need diferent adjustments to get it to where you want it. A typical mastering effects chain might go something like this (remember not all songs will need the same treatment):

EQ - Preferrably at least 10 bands. If you are finding yourself having to make EQ adjustments greater than +/- 5dB on any bands, you might need to go back into the mix and fix your problem there.

Multiband Compression - basically a series of compressors tuned to compress just certain frequency ranges. Allows you to compress certain frequency ranges more or less than others. For example, you might need to compress your low end to be tight and punchy, while allowing the high mids to shine through a little more, or vice versa.

Standard compression - After "evening out" the overall mix with eq and multiband compression this will allow you to compress the overall frequncy range if you so desired.

Sonic Enhancers - This is where you might decide to use something like the BBE Sonic Maximizer (remember it's NOT a limiter) or other effects such as Bass Enhancement and Harmonic Enhancers that will color and enhance certain frequencies by manipulating harmonics and phase.

Reverb - A SLIGHT touch of the right reverb over the whole mix can "pull it together" and give it a nice polish. Typically use shorter decay times here, you should be going more for a feel than an audible reverb. Any reverb that you want to stand out more should be done in the mixing phase.

Limiter - This will allow you to raise te average volume of the song to get it up to that "radio ready" loudness. Make sure that you are happy with your eq and multiband compression befor applying the limiter, as you can get undesired results when limiting an "uneven" frequency range. You dont want the limiter to act more on the low end for example if your low end is a lot louder than the rest of the frequencies.

Visual feedback - This is where you might want to insert a spectrum analyzer or phase meter or other visuals tool to help you identify any problems you might have missed such as phase problems or excessive "bumps" in the frequency spectrum. Particulary helpful if you are not working in a professionally designed mastering room, and/or working with sub par monitors. Keep in mind that you should always trust your ears FIRST. The visual feedback should not be a crutch, it should only be a tool.

As I mentioned, this is by no means set in stone. Different mastering engineers prefer different techniques and tools, but this would be a good place to start for anyone wanting to experiment with mastering.

Remeber that when mastering (and mixing for that matter) LESS IS MORE. Be sure to make small adjustments and listen carefully. If you are having to make adjustments that seem to be large adjustments, you probably need to go back into the mix and fix the problems there. Also, if you are not hearing the difference in what a certain setting is doing, then don't adjust it. Without a professional ear, equipment, and room, it can be VERY hard to hear some of the subltle changes involved in mastering. If in doubt, don't adjust it, you might do more harm than good.

A lot of people will tell you not to attempt mastering without a professional, which IS good advice, but then again, the best way to learn is to experiment, and the more you understand about the process, the more it will help if and when you do decide to take it to a professional.

Some of the best mastering jobs I have done were the ones that were already great mixes when I got them. Remember, you can't shine shite... a little air freshener might cover up the smell a little, but the stink is still there. Make sure your mixes sound great BEFORE you try to mess with any mastering. A good mix might not need much mastering at all.