loop editing

hi, i got my new mpc 2 days ago and i've just learned a couple of nice things........
i'm trying to make a sequence with a loop i've recorded and it seems impossible to me to make it sound correct, on rythm terms....i'd been trying with the trim and loop operation but no results.........you can feel the cut when playing loop.

sorry if asking so basic, but i'd been one day with this issue and couldn't figure it out, and also for my basic english.

would really apreciatte any help.

hey.

you'll probably have better answers if you post this question in the newbie forum.

will try

thanx

is this loop a sampled loop, or is it a loop you have created with samples? this will make all the difference.

if it's the first, then your issue is with tempo. if it's the 2nd, your issue is with your timing and the mpc's time correction function.

yea your temp is probably off

this problem is just with things i record from outside the mpc.
so you if it's a tempo matter, how to work it out?

thanx

honestly, the MPC sampler is pretty worthless for looping.

I would suggest sampling into an Audio Editor Program (CoolEdit, SoundForge, Etc.) and editing the sample in that until it loops perfectly. In CoolEdit you can even have it automatically detect the zero-crossings (The exact point in the sound wave where it should loop).

When you have it perfect, save the file as a wav and load it into your MPC and it will loop perfectly in there.

TicToc wrote:honestly, the MPC sampler is pretty worthless for looping.

I would suggest sampling into an Audio Editor Program (CoolEdit, SoundForge, Etc.) and editing the sample in that until it loops perfectly. In CoolEdit you can even have it automatically detect the zero-crossings (The exact point in the sound wave where it should loop).

When you have it perfect, save the file as a wav and load it into your MPC and it will loop perfectly in there.

Im sure you have a good way of working that is correct for you, but I am curious::

If you're trying to get eg. a drum sample to 'loop' for a few measures, why not just get the start point right, not even worry about the end point, put it in a program with 'mono' setting, insert it on beat 01:01, and then just adjust the master tempo until it sounds right?

And if the tempo won't change precisely enough to make it loop right... i don't see how having it perfectly trimmed on the PC would help anyway.

I admit I don't base most of my tracks on whole loops cause hiphop is not my primary style, so maybe you know somethin i don't....

this can be pretty annoying and i use a reaktor patch just for grabbing loops that lets me export directly to the mpc. i sample my evolver thru my mpc which is a sequenced synth.. most of my patches, although they dont sound like 'loops' are definently loops. you simply can't record reliable loops on the mpc1k. however, ive found recording them externally and editing them is pretty much the key & works fine, although it makes you dependant on your computer still which is what i was trying to get away from... guess i could always get more evolvers ;D

ok, i made loops with protools, load them in mpc pads, record the sequence an still can't get a perfect groove on the loop. can definitely feel the end/start cut.
so still trying to figure it out....

am i in a cloud? newbie for sure...

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Have you adjusted the tempo?

gaston wrote:ok, i made loops with protools, load them in mpc pads, record the sequence an still can't get a perfect groove on the loop. can definitely feel the end/start cut.
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I'm still not really sure what type of samples you are trying to loop. Is it a synth pad or a drum beat type of sample?

For a synth pad type of sample I believe you need to do the looping outside of the MPC and use a zoom tool to zoom in on the end and beginning of where you think they would loop well. There should be a trend that is possible to follow to be able to make a good loop. Then you have to find the exact spot where the start and end will meet. Always make sure the start and end falls or rise in the same direction to avoid clicks. Using the zero crossing is not always the best solution. Making good synth pad loops is an art to master and even if you're good it will take a while to find the perfect loop. I think a synth pad usually gains from not being in sync with the BPM since it hides the static feeling of the loop.

For a beat type of loop I think you should start with not looping at all but just retrig the sample instead. That way you can find out if you are short or over the beat by ear. If you must loop it, bring fourth your pocket calculator and do the math with sample frequency/replay speed towards BPM. If you record something and play it at the same speed you could for example do a kick twice per second (half notes) at 120 BPM, take eight seconds (up to the ninth) of that sample and play it once every four bars.

ok.thanx everyone for the help..........been trying a couple of things and it's not resolved, but going better.
i think with some more time and practice on the 1000 and the thing will come out.
peace

you simply can't record reliable loops on the mpc1k

haahahhaha what??!

how are you recording your loops on the mpc1000 antonym?