best pitchshifting setting

theres many different vox setings and everyone of them seems to obliterate my samples to shit so i try never to use pitching. wut am i doing wrong?

wes

There is no best. Different samples need different attention.

Lampdog wrote:There is no best. Different samples need different attention.

it has to do with the 1000, you dont have a 1k so you probably dont know.

and you didnt even read his post before you posted

problem = pitchshifting.

Supreme Being wrote:

Lampdog wrote:There is no best. Different samples need different attention.

it has to do with the 1000, you dont have a 1k so you probably dont know.

and you didnt even read his post before you posted

I'm sorry did you say something?

Does every sample NOT need different attention?
ie, can 'every' sample be pitchshifted to get what you need perfectly using the same presets on the 1k or any machine?

Sooo. Tweaking would have to be done to get whatever sample he's using to become somewhat useable BUT it wasn't stated if he tweaked or not. "Everyone of them" sounds like a phrase that would include presets.

I CAN comment on it because pitchshifting is universal to LOTS of machines and software.

So, did you say something or not?

So basically what you are trying to say is....there is nothing I can do about shitty sounding samples on the MPC1000 Because I dont know what you mean by tweaking them? Is there something specific you do besides selecting a preset and saying do it? Does it have something to do with the length of a sample? Should I chop it up and then try to change the pitch? what?

they all sound shitty. i think it even sounds better when i pitch shift on CEP

waxmastawes wrote:they all sound ****. i think it even sounds better when i pitch shift on CEP

Okay fine so we have established that they all sound shitty so what are we gonna do about it?? I have nothing else to sample with. I was looking at getting a Phantom Rack mount unit...is that thing gonna sample clean? Maybe nobody knows being that that is a roland product but let me know.

Supreme Being wrote:

Lampdog wrote:There is no best. Different samples need different attention.

it has to do with the 1000, you dont have a 1k so you probably dont know.

and you didnt even read his post before you posted

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha


this is probably the FUNNIEST thread that I've seen.

So we're on this forum. It's called "Production Techniques" ... Notice how it doesn't say MV 8000 Production Techniques, MPC 1000 Production Techniques... yo mama's Production Techniques... just says "Production Techniques"...


Now , there's a message on that said forum:
and some guy named: waxmastawes says this:

"theres many different vox setings and everyone of them seems to obliterate my samples to so i try never to use pitching. wut am i doing wrong?

wes"


So notice something. He doesn't say 1) What he is using 2) How he is doing it


and then some complete RANDOM comes named this: Supreme Being

says this:
"it has to do with the 1000, you dont have a 1k so you probably dont know.

and you didnt even read his post before you posted"

I have to say again:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

now Supreme Being, where the HECK did you get out of this guys post that he was using a 1000. He never told ANYONE. So your posting is just hillarious!!!! And even more so, Lampdog actually answered the guy who was askig the question, Supreme Being didn't even care to respond to the original post and just HIJACK the thread ...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA



So that was my funny for today, so now to get on to waxmastawes's original post.

First off, we STILL don't know what machine your using. Some third party random came in and told us, but we have NO way of knowing if he's right or wrong. ...


Second, when you say pitch shifting a sample. Well there are lots of type of samples which is what LAMPDOG was trying to say when he said different samples need different attention.

Are you trying to pitch shift an Opera Singer, Orchestra, TR 808, saxaphone, acapella, synth stabs, long drawn out pad, moog bass, moog hip hop worm ... those ALL require different attention.


Pick one, post a sample, state what you are using, and how you are doing it and you may get some good answers.

Your going to have the same issue with the Fantom, MV 8000 or any other software/hardware that does pitchshifting.


Cheers,

Dave

i gotta say- i have never pitch shifted anything in the mpc1000.

i only timestretch minimally within the 1k. you can get away with it, but in general, ts is only for the smallest of adjustments. since ps uses ts which is a pOs, the same applies - TINY adjustments if possible.

I've had some luck pitch-shifting basslines that I've played in (for which I was pleasantly surprised by how well patched phrase works, BTW). That's on the 1k.

As mentioned above, the success of pitch shifting depends on how much you're shifting, and also the sample material. If you're hoping a whole long loop will shift nicely, you're probably out of luck. If you have a 1K or 2500, or 4k, you can slice it at the transients and try patch phrase conversion then pitch shift the patch phrase. But to shift a whole long sample and expect it to sound right is not going to work well however you do it, UNLESS your software (or you) breaks it into suitable chunks that can be pitch-shifted well.

You might also look at Pitchshifting on the computer (Melodyne) and then putting back on the MPC. With how slow the MPC series is doing Pitchshifting /BPM shifting, it might actually be quicker...


But do check out Melodyne

Dave

Melodyne? Is that going to work on a mac. I also had the same problem. I know I didnt start this thread or anything but Supreme being sent me here because I originally posted in the MPC 1000 forum about the pitch shifting issues I was having. Anyways I have been trying to sample old rnb of of Albums. Mostly for the lyrics. If I change the rhythm or the bass line. I have no problem it just sucks when there are vocals. She "s" gets all grainy. I have been trying to do it two ways....real time pitch shift with a patched phrase and then I have been doing some of the presets via the editing screen. So now if anybody can help out it would be appreciated.

Did you cut the patched phrase by hand, or just set it to equal divisions (using the 1K's slice function)?

It's very important to get the patched phrase divisions on the transients, otherwise it sounds terrible. For s's (aka sibilants), it's probably best to try to make a slice that contains just the sibilant itself, and so on for each consonant of each word.

But, for the best results, something like melodyne or roland's v-vocal is probably best for vocal pitch-shifting. That will likely still take some manual intervention, but those tools are designed for vocal work, as opposed to the MPCs, which are typically more 'drum-centric'.

ucacjbs wrote:It's very important to get the patched phrase divisions on the transients, otherwise it sounds terrible. For s's (aka sibilants), it's probably best to try to make a slice that contains just the sibilant itself, and so on for each consonant of each word.

But, for the best results, something like melodyne or roland's v-vocal is probably best for vocal pitch-shifting. That will likely still take some manual intervention, but those tools are designed for vocal work, as opposed to the MPCs, which are typically more 'drum-centric'.

Sweet. I was using the splice function I didnt do it by hand. I dont know where to splice it. That is true. The MPC is for drums....cool. Well I will look into melodyne and the v- vocal