Ain't the 4000 outdated?

Askia Shaheed wrote:

bomb beats wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:MPC 5000s still cost over $3000 in Japan.

Everything costs more in Japan. Stop blowing smoke.

That is untrue. Traditionally, Roland, Yamaha, and Korg products were cheaper in Japan than they are in the US. Depending on the yen rate, these product are the same price or slightly more than in the US. Akai products use to be cheaper in Japan than in the US. Now they are quite expensive. The MPC 5000 is the first MPC I purchased in the US since 1997.

I lived in Sasebo from 1990-1992. Some of these other guys may not know, but I know. Everything was always almost twice as expensive than the WORLD(U.S.). Makes one question why you stayed?

I have to cosign new is expensive. But used can be comparable and I tend to get good points when I trade in used for new gear. Usually I get better deals buying online but the it is sometimes hard to find the new stock as Japan is constantly restocking on gear.

bomb beats wrote:I lived in Sasebo from 1990-1992. Some of these other guys may not know, but I know. Everything was always almost twice as expensive than the WORLD(U.S.). Makes one question why you stayed?

1992? Brother it is 2009 and I live in Tokyo not the boondocks (aka sasebo):lol: You may not know this...but I am the authority on buying keyboards, drum machines, etc in Japan. I had a very lucrative hussle going on for years.

Anyway...like I stated earlier...the Fantom G in Japan is about the same price as it is the US. This is not the case with the MPC 5000.


PS- In 1992.....$1 would get you anywhere from $130-$140 yen..when today it is about 90-95 yen to the dollar. Japanese goods were really cheap back then. I saved hundreds of dollars buying the Roland R-70 in Japan.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

bomb beats wrote:I lived in Sasebo from 1990-1992. Some of these other guys may not know, but I know. Everything was always almost twice as expensive than the WORLD(U.S.). Makes one question why you stayed?

1992? Brother it is 2009 and I live in Tokyo not the boondocks (aka sasebo):lol: You may not know this...but I am the authority on buying keyboards, drum machines, etc in Japan. I had a very lucrative hussle going on for years.

Anyway...like I stated earlier...the Fantom G in Japan is about the same price as it is the US. This is not the case with the MPC 5000.


PS- In 1992.....$1 would get you anywhere from $130-$140 yen..when today it is about 90-95 yen to the dollar. Japanese goods were really cheap back then. I saved hundreds of dollars buying the Roland R-70 in Japan.

You can't be that much of an authority, you didn't know your company was blowing the 5000 out for under $2000. Or are you Still here causing confusion and putting out bad information. You would really have to be a dumb a$$ to give up a 4000 and $2300 for a 5000. Why not just buy the 5000 for $1900 straight from Akai. But , you made the dumb a$$ statement. Sasebo is still in Japan, and the currency is still Yen. IDIOT!!!

1293 useless post does not make you an authority, Jeromee!

Regarding the topic of this thread, I do not think the MPC4000 is outdated by any means and I'm not saying this just because I own one.

The MPC4000 does have it's drawbacks but so does every other piece of electronic music gear on the market. However, I will say this. The MPC4000 definitely has more advanced features than the 1000 and 2500 models even with the JJ OS.

I like to look at the MPC4000 as a "sampling computer" than just a sampling drum machine. The fact that it has input (buttons, pads), output (LCD display), a motherboard, a CPU, RAM, storage devices such as an internal hard drive and CD RW drive, the ability to connect peripherals including keyboards and external hard drives, and it runs on an operating system definitely makes the MPC4000 a "computer." The only thing it doesn't do is print!!!!

The 4000 still has the most advanced sampling engine I've ever seen in any "drum machine" because it basically is a rack mount sampler (Z8) in a drum machine format. Most drum machine samplers on the market today has less sample ram than the MPC4000, including the new MPC5000. Plus most of them have sequencers with a ppq smaller than 960 and converters that doesn't sample/playback at 96K. And many of these drum samplers also don't have a computer software interface like Akai Sys that will allow the user to communicate with the machine to edit programs remotely. Furthermore, I don't know of any other drum machine ever created (except for the new Beat Kangz Beat Thang that isn't even out yet) that has both a USB host and USB slave port that will allow you to connect USB peripherals such as a keyboard for sample naming or a 500+ GB USB external hard drive for storing data or several large hard drives (via USB hub and SCSI port) for backups. So yeah, the MPC4000 is definitely a beast in its own right and it will hold it's ground for a long, long time. It's definitely a long way from being obsolete.

Final note: Music equipment never gets obsolete in my opinion. Heck, the Minimoog Model D is well over 30 years old going on 40. The TR808 is almost 30 years old now and these pieces of gear are still very popular and widely used today. It always was and always will be about good music and the creative mind/talent behind the equipment. The equipment is only a tool. If your mechanic's toolkit has the latest gizmos and he doesn't have the skills to fix your car, then what good is the toolkit? On the other hand, a toolkit with the most simple and basic tools in the hands of a highly skilled mechanic would be a great asset to you. Same goes for musicians and electronic music equipment regarding obsolescence.

bomb beats wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:

bomb beats wrote:I lived in Sasebo from 1990-1992. Some of these other guys may not know, but I know. Everything was always almost twice as expensive than the WORLD(U.S.). Makes one question why you stayed?

1992? Brother it is 2009 and I live in Tokyo not the boondocks (aka sasebo):lol: You may not know this...but I am the authority on buying keyboards, drum machines, etc in Japan. I had a very lucrative hussle going on for years.

Anyway...like I stated earlier...the Fantom G in Japan is about the same price as it is the US. This is not the case with the MPC 5000.


PS- In 1992.....$1 would get you anywhere from $130-$140 yen..when today it is about 90-95 yen to the dollar. Japanese goods were really cheap back then. I saved hundreds of dollars buying the Roland R-70 in Japan.

You can't be that much of an authority, you didn't know your company was blowing the 5000 out for under $2000. Or are you Still here causing confusion and putting out bad information. You would really have to be a dumb a$$ to give up a 4000 and $2300 for a 5000. Why not just buy the 5000 for $1900 straight from Akai. But , you made the dumb a$$ statement. Sasebo is still in Japan, and the currency is still Yen. IDIOT!!!

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As I said..I am an authority on the subject. I owned the MPC 2500 before it hit the streets in the US..purchased in Japan for under $1600 and a month later they were being sold in the US for $2000.

I don't really care what the MPC is sold for. I just simply wrote that you have to spend $3000 for one in Japan (fact) when Akai products use to be much cheaper in Japan (also a fact). You are the one putting old bad information...like living in Sasebo where you could buy very little music production gear unlike where I lived in Tokyo There is no need to get worked up. But you owe me an apology for insulting me and of course being dead wrong....

But back to the 4000...
The MPC 4000/Z8 boasts the best specs of any hardware sampler ever created so it can't be outdated based upon this. But in creating such a product (for what ever reasons both real/speculated)...it didn't translate to much. It wasn't long before the Z8/Z4 was being practically being given away. It appears there is no market for such a sampler.

kvmoore wrote:Regarding the topic of this thread, I do not think the MPC4000 is outdated by any means and I'm not saying this just because I own one.

The MPC4000 does have it's drawbacks but so does every other piece of electronic music gear on the market. However, I will say this. The MPC4000 definitely has more advanced features than the 1000 and 2500 models even with the JJ OS.

I like to look at the MPC4000 as a "sampling computer" than just a sampling drum machine. The fact that it has input (buttons, pads), output (LCD display), a motherboard, a CPU, RAM, storage devices such as an internal hard drive and CD RW drive, the ability to connect peripherals including keyboards and external hard drives, and it runs on an operating system definitely makes the MPC4000 a "computer." The only thing it doesn't do is print!!!!

The 4000 still has the most advanced sampling engine I've ever seen in any "drum machine" because it basically is a rack mount sampler (Z8) in a drum machine format. Most drum machine samplers on the market today has less sample ram than the MPC4000, including the new MPC5000. Plus most of them have sequencers with a ppq smaller than 960 and converters that doesn't sample/playback at 96K. And many of these drum samplers also don't have a computer software interface like Akai Sys that will allow the user to communicate with the machine to edit programs remotely. Furthermore, I don't know of any other drum machine ever created (except for the new Beat Kangz Beat Thang that isn't even out yet) that has both a USB host and USB slave port that will allow you to connect USB peripherals such as a keyboard for sample naming or a 500+ GB USB external hard drive for storing data or several large hard drives (via USB hub and SCSI port) for backups. So yeah, the MPC4000 is definitely a beast in its own right and it will hold it's ground for a long, long time. It's definitely a long way from being obsolete.

Final note: Music equipment never gets obsolete in my opinion. Heck, the Minimoog Model D is well over 30 years old going on 40. The TR808 is almost 30 years old now and these pieces of gear are still very popular and widely used today. It always was and always will be about good music and the creative mind/talent behind the equipment. The equipment is only a tool. If your mechanic's toolkit has the latest gizmos and he doesn't have the skills to fix your car, then what good is the toolkit? On the other hand, a toolkit with the most simple and basic tools in the hands of a highly skilled mechanic would be a great asset to you. Same goes for musicians and electronic music equipment regarding obsolescence.

Cosign

bedouin wrote:You might want to look at the Roland MV-8800. It's a nice merge between software and hardware, and like I've said in the past, makes way more sense to me than a 5000.

Look into it. It's the same price.

My cousin had the MV8000 I could not complete making 1 beat on it in a whole weeks time, and I know a lil somethin' not much, but my MPC 25k came with the owners man straight from Japan in Japanese or some sh@t and I pulled it out of the manufacturer box then out of the retail box and made a beat in 30 mins or so and save it and I had never ever worked with any MPC of any kind prior to that. Is the 4k that easy also? any one?

ako wrote: Is the 4k that easy also? any one?

Hell no!.... not at first... its gonna take some patience understanding its workflow, but after that you should be good..

the 2500 and the 5000 are mad easier to use.

4000 outdated.....Hmmmm. Depends on the man and his methods. Are the 3000's outdated, how about the S-950, or the ASR-10. NO, NO, and NO. They will certainly all keep there place for some time to come, and wether there popular or not or if they include the latest and greatest feature is a lll relative to if you really "need" those features. SPec wise, the 4000 should outperform anything hardware out there in terms of samplers. Sound wise, well to me its very close to a Soft sampler, what goes in, comes out, crap in, crap out, you know the drill.

TRUE! I feel you. I've used the all. (the classics) After the 4000 I just don't feel the need to try the new stuff. I use my other MPC's when the feeling hits me. I would never get rid of my 3000 or 4000. Keep Banging!!!

At 17 years, I'm assuming we can call the 4000 a classic.

charlieocali wrote:At 17 years, I'm assuming we can call the 4000 a classic.

Basically, you are right. These new MPC's were not meant to be compatible with the 4000 or anything that came before it. Yes, they can do some of the same things, but it's still not the same. The 4000 is still the Flagship.

firework wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:I had to post this because I found it amusing. In Japan, you can trade used gear + cash for new gear. I saw an advertisement that you can exchange your used MPC 4000 + $2,240 in for a new MPC 5000.

Yeah you are right, what retard would do that. I would not trade a 4000 for 5000 PERIOD!!! let alone adding money to the equation.

Let alone 22 hundred dollars, sh@t 3 hun more u can get a brand new 5k and if u go 2 ebay u might be able to save around 5 hun with the right auction. Any retard that pays to turn upgrade like that...this is me-------->