Direct recording feature request

I think direct recording could be much more than it is today. Have been thinking about a couple of things that would make the feature much more usable.

When I record (for example) a two bar riff into a two bar sequence and hit the stop button just after the 2nd bar the mpc asks me if I want to keep the length 2 bars or change it to 3 bars. I think the MPC should "snap" to the closest bar marker so it doesn't matter if I press stop just before or just after the mark.

I think there should be an "sync to sequence length" option so (for example) if one records an audiotrack into a two bar sequence the recording would automatically stop at the two bar mark and the recording start to loop from then on.

It would also be cool if there were a "multiply" option so if you record a longer audiotrack file then the predefined sequence length (for example a 4 bar loop over a two bar sequence) the length of the rest of the tracks would be multiplied (for example a two bar drumpart or audiotrack would be repeated once) and the sequence length would change accordingly. (I realize that this is to some extent possible with simult seq, recording a longer seq over a shorter one).

Hope people agree (at least JJ)

M

i agree with your first idea. i wish direct recording would be improved but it seems i have no influence on JJ.
to sum up : monitoring, seq undo or a key to erase "takes" and compatibility with mode song.

yes i totally agree with you le rat..

monitor and undo(delete) takes is what should be there...
without it as it is right now just makes the audio recording a **** hassle...

In newer versions of XL the audio tracks DO WORK in SONG mode, finally, and thank God (thank JJ).

The rest of those complaints don't even seem worth mentioning.. and I'm probably the heaviest Audio Track user on these boards.

for os 2 xl from jj's site:

Note
When the loop of a sequence is ON, recording is automatically stopped at the end of a loop.
When the loop of a sequence is OFF, the recording will continue until you press the [STOP] key.
And the number of the bar when you actually pressed the [STOP] key will be set as the new length for the sequence.

Note

and the recording start to loop from then on.

i doubt this would be possible due to processor limitations... even though i have an roland rc-50 i would love an mpc which could do this - but i doubt itd ever be on an mpc1000.

maxicono wrote:
When I record (for example) a two bar riff into a two bar sequence and hit the stop button just after the 2nd bar the mpc asks me if I want to keep the length 2 bars or change it to 3 bars. I think the MPC should "snap" to the closest bar marker so it doesn't matter if I press stop just before or just after the mark.

I think there should be an "sync to sequence length" option so (for example) if one records an audiotrack into a two bar sequence the recording would automatically stop at the two bar mark and the recording start to loop from then on.

I'm not JJ but I think some people may record that way and they may need that extra piece in the third bar.So if JJ just snapped to grid, someone may complain about snapping to grid.

He does give you a choice, so he did create a feature similar to your request but it has an extra step to accommodate both styles of production.

maxicono wrote:It would also be cool if there were a "multiply" option so if you record a longer audiotrack file then the predefined sequence length (for example a 4 bar loop over a two bar sequence) the length of the rest of the tracks would be multiplied (for example a two bar drumpart or audiotrack would be repeated once) and the sequence length would change accordingly. (I realize that this is to some extent possible with simult seq, recording a longer seq over a shorter one).

Hope people agree (at least JJ)

M

You can do this manually by copying the first 2 bars and inserting them.

Both are good ideas to short cut production but I think JJ did state he maxed out the program's memory in the MPC.

elevated wrote:The rest of those complaints don't even seem worth mentioning.. and I'm probably the heaviest Audio Track user on these boards.

I mentioned it to give him some understanding why....

le rat wrote:i agree with your first idea. i wish direct recording would be improved but it seems i have no influence on JJ.

I think you do...JJ is I think busy...but I do also wish we get some kind of response from him in this forum...

"It would probably save him some recoding time, if he would take the time out to do research and development here in the forums"

elevated wrote:In newer versions of XL the audio tracks DO WORK in SONG mode, finally, and thank God (thank JJ).

The rest of those complaints don't even seem worth mentioning.. and I'm probably the heaviest Audio Track user on these boards.

So, are the audio tracks (XL) now working like the akai direct record tracks? This has been the only thing I've missed from the akai os. I;ve posted before about it and still think that the audio tracks dont work as well. Not for how I use them anyway.

Be great to know that this feature was back.

evil A Sulli wrote:

le rat wrote:i agree with your first idea. i wish direct recording would be improved but it seems i have no influence on JJ.

I think you do...JJ is I think busy...but I do also wish we get some kind of response from him in this forum...

"It would probably save him some recoding time, if he would take the time out to do research and development here in the forums"

We've asked JJ to implement some of the AkaiOS direct record features for the last 2 years evil, but it still aint happened.
I just want to be able to 'punch-in' record audio 'on-the-fly' whilst my track is playing. I miss this soooooo much!
I'm not moaning about it too much, but your comment about JJ being busy at the moment doesn't hold sway on this front.

elevated wrote:In newer versions of XL the audio tracks DO WORK in SONG mode, finally, and thank God (thank JJ).

The rest of those complaints don't even seem worth mentioning.. and I'm probably the heaviest Audio Track user on these boards.

I switched back to OS2 after a quick try of 2XL.
As it seems you use that and audio tracks quite extensively, can you please explain how SONG mode works?

Automageddon wrote:

elevated wrote:In newer versions of XL the audio tracks DO WORK in SONG mode, finally, and thank God (thank JJ).

The rest of those complaints don't even seem worth mentioning.. and I'm probably the heaviest Audio Track user on these boards.

I switched back to OS2 after a quick try of 2XL.
As it seems you use that and audio tracks quite extensively, can you please explain how SONG mode works?

Well, do you use Song mode? In OS2 and earlier XL versions the audio track won't happen in song mode... especially if you try to convert to sequence, which I do a lot. If you're big on audio tracks I would try the newest XL.

jimmie wrote:
We've asked JJ to implement some of the AkaiOS direct record features for the last 2 years evil, but it still aint happened.
I just want to be able to 'punch-in' record audio 'on-the-fly' whilst my track is playing. I miss this soooooo much!
I'm not moaning about it too much, but your comment about JJ being busy at the moment doesn't hold sway on this front.

I heard of this feature in the MPC 4000 but not the 1000, is it really possible with the 1000's hardware?

Did he at least say why he could't do it?

Has he ever responded in these forums?

evil A Sulli wrote:

jimmie wrote:
We've asked JJ to implement some of the AkaiOS direct record features for the last 2 years evil, but it still aint happened.
I just want to be able to 'punch-in' record audio 'on-the-fly' whilst my track is playing. I miss this soooooo much!
I'm not moaning about it too much, but your comment about JJ being busy at the moment doesn't hold sway on this front.

I heard of this feature in the MPC 4000 but not the 1000, is it really possible with the 1000's hardware?

Did he at least say why he could't do it?

Has he ever responded in these forums?

It was a standard feature on the 2.5+Akai os (can't remember number). hook up an instrument to audition and then just hit rec while your seq is playin - ez. Would play it back how you dropped in too - say a string/keys/synth pad starting at the end of the 4 bar loop overlapping into bar 1 at the top of the loop.

I cant understand why it's not added to any jj versions/updates.

Here's a y'tube showing the feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Tk0hcUgXs

Pretty raw example but you can see how ez it was to drop a live voice etc straight in. I used to use it all the time

BLACK DORIS wrote:
It was a standard feature on the 2.5+Akai os (can't remember number). hook up an instrument to audition and then just hit rec while your seq is playin - ez. Would play it back how you dropped in too - say a string/keys/synth pad starting at the end of the 4 bar loop overlapping into bar 1 at the top of the loop.

I cant understand why it's not added to any jj versions/updates.

Here's a y'tube showing the feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Tk0hcUgXs

Pretty raw example but you can see how ez it was to drop a live voice etc straight in. I used to use it all the time

Hey Man you can do this direct record on the JJ OS XL2 but it's called Audio.

I did exactly what this guy in the video did with the mic on the JJOSXL.
Actual the JJOSXL2 is better because is keeps re-naming takes.

First, have a sequence and sounds ready to play with the Audio.

Second, set the MP's cursor on the "----", (it is next to the right of the big 1 on the main screen,if you have a beat up it will say DRUM ect.) then on the main menu turn the wheel to AUDIO.

Next, press open window,after that set INPUT:Analog-MODE:Mono L-MONITOR:On (Mic must be plugged into Mono L)

As soon as you press record you should here the sound from the MIC,then press play start to record-not play, play start.

Make sure you press F5 to un-mute so you can here the track you just recored.I think it defaults to the track.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention because I now have a new toy.

evil A Sulli wrote:

BLACK DORIS wrote:
It was a standard feature on the 2.5+Akai os (can't remember number). hook up an instrument to audition and then just hit rec while your seq is playin - ez. Would play it back how you dropped in too - say a string/keys/synth pad starting at the end of the 4 bar loop overlapping into bar 1 at the top of the loop.

I cant understand why it's not added to any jj versions/updates.

Here's a y'tube showing the feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Tk0hcUgXs

Pretty raw example but you can see how ez it was to drop a live voice etc straight in. I used to use it all the time

Hey Man you can do this direct record on the JJ OS XL2 but it's called Audio.

I did exactly what this guy in the video did with the mic on the JJOSXL.
Actual the JJOSXL2 is better because is keeps re-naming takes.

First, have a sequence and sounds ready to play with the Audio.

Second, set the MP's cursor on the "----", (it is next to the right of the big 1 on the main screen,if you have a beat up it will say DRUM ect.) then on the main menu turn the wheel to AUDIO.

Next, press open window,after that set INPUT:Analog-MODE:Mono L-MONITOR:On (Mic must be plugged into Mono L)

As soon as you press record you should here the sound from the MIC,then press play start to record-not play, play start.

Make sure you press F5 to un-mute so you can here the track you just recored.I think it defaults to the track.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention because I now have a new toy.

No, that's not what we mean.
What the video doesn't really show is the fact that you can have your track already playing and looping around whilst you are messing around with the thing you are going to record... then when you feel like you've got a good riff going on you just hit record and it records it. It means you don't lose your flow by having to stop everything then hit Rec+Play.
I used to mess around with a synth or vocal through effects whilst my track was playing. Some effects take a second or so to actually build up into the sound you want to record, so recording from a dead stand-still will have the beginning of the sound dryer than you want.
But, the main, uber-priority for me is being able to jam along to my mpc and get in the moment, then bang record it without stifling my flow by stopping. It's actually a bigger pain in the ass than it sounds.

jimmie wrote:

evil A Sulli wrote:

BLACK DORIS wrote:
It was a standard feature on the 2.5+Akai os (can't remember number). hook up an instrument to audition and then just hit rec while your seq is playin - ez. Would play it back how you dropped in too - say a string/keys/synth pad starting at the end of the 4 bar loop overlapping into bar 1 at the top of the loop.

I cant understand why it's not added to any jj versions/updates.

Here's a y'tube showing the feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Tk0hcUgXs

Pretty raw example but you can see how ez it was to drop a live voice etc straight in. I used to use it all the time

Hey Man you can do this direct record on the JJ OS XL2 but it's called Audio.

I did exactly what this guy in the video did with the mic on the JJOSXL.
Actual the JJOSXL2 is better because is keeps re-naming takes.

First, have a sequence and sounds ready to play with the Audio.

Second, set the MP's cursor on the "----", (it is next to the right of the big 1 on the main screen,if you have a beat up it will say DRUM ect.) then on the main menu turn the wheel to AUDIO.

Next, press open window,after that set INPUT:Analog-MODE:Mono L-MONITOR:On (Mic must be plugged into Mono L)

As soon as you press record you should here the sound from the MIC,then press play start to record-not play, play start.

Make sure you press F5 to un-mute so you can here the track you just recored.I think it defaults to the track.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention because I now have a new toy.

No, that's not what we mean.
What the video doesn't really show is the fact that you can have your track already playing and looping around whilst you are messing around with the thing you are going to record... then when you feel like you've got a good riff going on you just hit record and it records it. It means you don't lose your flow by having to stop everything then hit Rec+Play.
I used to mess around with a synth or vocal through effects whilst my track was playing. Some effects take a second or so to actually build up into the sound you want to record, so recording from a dead stand-still will have the beginning of the sound dryer than you want.
But, the main, uber-priority for me is being able to jam along to my mpc and get in the moment, then bang record it without stifling my flow by stopping. It's actually a bigger pain in the ass than it sounds.

^^^ . yea, the audio track feature in jj is rubbish. a fcukn huge PITA.

here's an old thread with a pretty good explanation of the differences (well back then) between the jj audio traks and direct rec. i even posted the same youtube example.