Kanye article / Sampling code of ethics.

is wack - i think thats at the core of the argument

u can argue the details and semantics - but if u bite thats wack

i dont think there is a specific hard die cast rule of biting - but i think most people kno what it is and what it aint

i think its cool to use the same sample someone used if done right and at the right time - crazy right?

i dont like using samples and breaks that i kno everybody else knows so i avoid them - i like finding and using stuff i think people may have overlooked......

It`s the same shit when hip hop first started. All you muthafukas are doing is rapping over chic and funk records!! The shit is a fad and it will never last. This ain`t real music and whatnot. BAMMM 20 something odd years later in 2004 mofos are still saying the same shit!!! Sampling this and sampling that. And some are still not getting it. Sampling and chopping, looping, is the creative part of djing to extend or recreate that head nodding tight as beat, break or bassline out of that so-so to corny ass records that in the dj`s crate or 1 bin in the back. Sure with the lawsuits and copyrights you have to be more creative with sampling and production, but without hip hop would all the great bands and groups of the past have been resurrected from the dead? Would our generation have an interest in our own music history? Would the extensive music catologs which the record companies own (by the way many early pioneers gave up their publishing) have any value since no one was buying the records because no one knew about it. The average music buyer has been from 14 thru 30 then the bills and kids come and their favorite idols has grey hairs and kids too! Inside of 10 years a lot of music is gone or easily forgotten by the current generation will the new trends. The djs with live looping and remixing kept these records alive and with sampling tech the looping is easier to do. For some reason at least to me the music of the previous generations were more independant, free, experiment, and vibrant than some of the shit we have today because to have a hit most musicians play it safe and follow what the a&rs and mtvs says to follow the leader mentality. Sampling for the least part is a **** the rules, diggin for the one hit wonder, or the underdog who didn`t have the major label backing, but at least was true to themselves and didn`t change for nobody. Last and at least for all the great music that was recorded in the past 40 years that didn`t get national exposure because of their radical sounds, vibes, messages, and africian influences sampling gives them that moment once again to shine.
Sampling is cool as shit to be different from what the masses are doing, listening too, or following the flavor of the month. Every major wants to control and dictate what the masses hear and listen too, so they can influence what the masses will buy which is their hit producers sound. Sampling isn`t about robbing ain`t artists catolog specially since alot of them were jerkked out of their copyrights. Sampling is challenging the control of the major labels with music that defies traditions, current styles, classical arrangements, and what`s the meaning of cool!!!! Kids everywhere want to be cool and what`s cooler than finding or creating something that no other person is doing at the moment.

"it was good before it got popular"

OK, MF DOOM and Madlib are pretty much known as the digging type, right?
On the LP Operation Doomsday, he samples the beat from BDP "Poetry", and also samples the drums off the end of EricB/Rakim's "Microphone Fiend."

On Lootpack's song "Whenimondamic", Madlib samples part of the beat from EPMD's "So Wat Cha Sayin."

Where does this fit into your equation? These guys are digger's diggers, but they still sampled sh!t from some other producer's track.
To me, it's not just where you got your sample, it's what you do with it.

what's the name of that joint dov' ?

by the way itchy, nice avatr you got now

I think that if your making big dollar advances from your beats who gives a **** where they come from!!!!!!!

So many talented producers get nowhere trying to stay original...just take alook at the guys who are making the cash!!!!!!!! (using other people's shit)

R Kelly Productions/Marc Houston Album)KWest/Jerkins/etc

All these guy's are lifting beats from ELAB Sample cd's from 3 years ago.

Make some cash then buy as many records as you like!!!!!!!!!1

macman wrote:I think that if your making big dollar advances from your beats who gives a **** where they come from!!!!!!!

So many talented producers get nowhere trying to stay original...just take alook at the guys who are making the cash!!!!!!!! (using other people's ****)

R Kelly Productions/Marc Houston Album)KWest/Jerkins/etc

All these guy's are lifting beats from ELAB Sample cd's from 3 years ago.

Make some cash then buy as many records as you like!!!!!!!!!1

R Kelly's "happy people" the "whooooa ohhh o a" part was definately lifted from a 70s joint (cant remember the name) so even though the track was produced without any samples, the melody is lifted!

That would be in the payng homage part of the equation, they are pretty old records, which was an early statement of mine in this thread and why I continually referred to recent hip hop. You don't dig for the neptunes or David Banner, you can dig for EPMD and BDP. But as it was said above, Biting, you know it when you see it, and when you do it, and it seems kanye was coming clean about his biting, then acting like he didn't give a fock.

down with kanye.

pgm wrote:Cheech i hope you're not implying I'm an ****,cause this debate ain't even on that level.Just some folks tryin' to prove points maturely.If you're not then I apologize in advance for misunderstanding.

No, I wasn't referring to you... I don't (usually) resort to name calling!

elmacaco wrote:That would be in the payng homage part of the equation, they are pretty old records, which was an early statement of mine in this thread and why I continually referred to recent hip hop. You don't dig for the neptunes or David Banner, you can dig for EPMD and BDP. But as it was said above, Biting, you know it when you see it, and when you do it, and it seems kanye was coming clean about his biting, then acting like he didn't give a fock.

down with kanye.

And in those cases, MFDoom especially, they make it perfectly clear where it is from, sometimes even say it out loud "I chop these drums off
Truly yours, G Rap"..

Like Kanye said in his rap everybody does it just he`s the first to admit it. Don`t hate the guy innovate and beat his ass with better beats!!! Plus in the article he mentioned that the engineer stoled Eminems beat disk out of the control room stating that his shit is rampant!!! But on the other hand telling how Jay Dee, 88 Keys and Denaun giving him CDs and records with those rolling drums breaks. SAID was right producers do help each other with tips.

EPMD forshadowed it on Business As Usual, RAP IS OUTTA CONTROL!! Yo, it's a new and changing game out here, some of these younger cats out here don't know/respect their history and think some of these new producers are original and groundbreaking with their beats when half of the stuff is re-sampled stuff. How many hip hop beats has Nas recycled? Jay Z? JKwon, Young Gunners?
Whenever a young-un comes over to my crib or when I do a show, I always trip them out with the originals of their beloved classics and always, ALWAYS, a few of them want to start digging or at least appreciated the art.
But the deal is it's a new game and the same rules don't apply now as it did back in the day, whether we like it or not. I remember if you sold a million records and was seen everywhere you were a 'sell-out", now you wack if you ain't a sell-out. Different times, yo. Do I like it, no, but that's the way it is. I'ma just be me.

sizzahanz73 wrote:EPMD forshadowed it on Business As Usual, RAP IS OUTTA CONTROL!! Yo, it's a new and changing game out here, some of these younger cats out here don't know/respect their history and think some of these new producers are original and groundbreaking with their beats when half of the stuff is re-sampled stuff. How many hip hop beats has Nas recycled? Jay Z? JKwon, Young Gunners?
Whenever a young-un comes over to my crib or when I do a show, I always trip them out with the originals of their beloved classics and always, ALWAYS, a few of them want to start digging or at least appreciated the art.
But the deal is it's a new game and the same rules don't apply now as it did back in the day, whether we like it or not. I remember if you sold a million records and was seen everywhere you were a 'sell-out", now you wack if you ain't a sell-out. Different times, yo. Do I like it, no, but that's the way it is. I'ma just be me.

True... Most of what you said is true... This si why I've shyed away from the mainstream more and more... I mean if you make good music then do your thing... But most fo these cats in it today are in it for the money and not for the culture...

I'm mainly an underground head... The culture is still alive and it feels like hip-hop at it's roots... Before it was about having a gimmick...

itchyvinyl wrote:To me, it's not just where you got your sample, it's what you do with it.

booyakasha. the only limitations are in your own head. its einstein's theory of relativity applied to this culture.