Slicing is for Wussies

Nym wrote:yeah, i have a line to jj but i don't use it much. i've been straight up spoiled over the years.
i think the "pad hit to slice" thing has been requested over the years - by mp3, even? i forget who sired that idea.

Oh wow was that me? I forgot...

Nym wrote:(crossfade loop synth by expert sleepers)

By the way, I'm the same guy that recommended that plugin to you over on KVR (I go by jones-y over there)

Oh snap. Good to see the OG back around

séance wrote:

Nym wrote:hell, let me hit a button in realtime to lay them down roughly and then i'll fine tune them 1 at a time....

It's the only feature I would kill for.

me too.

Nym wrote:yeah, i have a line to jj but i don't use it much. i've been straight up spoiled over the years.
i think the "pad hit to slice" thing has been requested over the years - by mp3, even? i forget who sired that idea.
i'm extremely fast and comfortable with the current slice system in jjos2 because my pads never have more than 1 note in the waveform...i chop note per note, every time, or else i use an audio track. i don't even use the SLICE function, really, i just use DIVIDE and DIVIDE again until every section is broken into single note chops, then xfade loop them so that they last as long a i want. lo-fi elastic audio, stays in time when you change tempo or tune.

what we need is someone to create a softsampler that isn't a playback device like kontakt
that doesn't try to do EVERYTHING drum related like battery
and can load more than 1 sample at a time (crossfade loop synth by expert sleepers)

Thank you. I thought I was not utilizing my JJOS because all I ever use is DIVIDE DIVIDE and xfade loops. Only thing on JJOS That works for chopping.

mp3 wrote:

MCL wrote:Octartack allows slicing to a grid, to transients , and to user definable points at any point in the loop.

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Its Elektrons consistent ability of 'out the box' thinking and implementation that makes me like their products so much.

I know and that's what makes their insistence on slicing so disappointing. Because in essence, slicing is nothing more than chopping with self-imposed restrictions. The biggest restriction being that one slice must begin where the previous one ends. Everything else that (and any other) machine does is built on top of how you manipulate samples at the base level. And that's why its so crucial...

Like I just can't for the life of me understand why anything that calls itself a sampler cannot freely address several different regions of any sample without any self-imposed limitations. And I cannot understand why developers avoid that paradigm like the plague... As if conceptual ease of use is gonna sell more units. NO! The hardcore samplists are the only ones still buying hardware! The hardcore samplists are the only ones still SAMPLING!!!

Its 2011. The ASR-10 is almost 20 years old FFS...

Nym wrote:+100000000

just give me a waveform and some vertical bars
hell, let me hit a button in realtime to lay them down roughly and then i'll fine tune them 1 at a time....

Man I'd kill for that... In the meantime, there's always spinning the record back and sampling snippets... LOL... 2011...

I really do not know how this could be voiced better.Thanks for bringing up what we all want.

As always with these wonderful machines, there is a workaround for this problem.
I use OS1, so if things are not 100% the same, figure it out for your machine.
Sample the song, assign it to a pad. NOTE ON the sample, or hit the step key if it accidentally plays.
While playing the sequence, go to PROGRAM, hit the pad with the long sample, now go to TRIM.
Adjust the sliders to the area you feel comfortable and EXTRACT. Assign it to a pad and repeat..

Not quite the same thing, but until JJ makes another update, it will have to do.

Octatrack is not a typical sampler, it's meant to be more of a live looper sampler than a traditional sampler. Think the Kaoss Pad 3 live looping demos but with more stuff. Doing stuff on the fly you're more likely just to divide on the beat.

Also aimed at DJs, take a break from one record, the intro synth from another, and a bassline from something else, etc. keep one, for a while, bring it back later, bassline from the first track to close out the set, chopped and rearranged on the fly etc.

I think it's cool, but it's not for me, a KP3 does enough for what I need to do in that area, but I can imagine a whole new slew of people using it just loading sample cd loops into it and making apple loop style compositions (what a lot of people are doing anyway) this just makes it a bit more fun and technical. I think it works for those wanting to do new stuff too, but it isn't meant to be or replace other samplers, it's another concept but not a really deep one IMO.