Reason 6

Nym is absolutely right, companies should not be harming the only people supporting the company and only the people supporting the company. It will become cracked and those who wont pay still wont pay and would otherwise not pay... they aren't converting illegal downloaders into paying customers... they are pissing off the people who payed and got stuck with the dongle.

I think the dongle is also intended so studios or what have you can not install the software on every computer in the building off one purchase as it only licenses you to the installation on one machine at a time.

mr_debauch wrote:I think the dongle is also intended so studios or what have you can not install the software on every computer in the building off one purchase as it only licenses you to the installation on one machine at a time.

Bingo!

DJ Hellfire wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:I think the dongle is also intended so studios or what have you can not install the software on every computer in the building off one purchase as it only licenses you to the installation on one machine at a time.

Bingo!

it's kind of like old computer games that required you to keep the cd inserted in the loud as hell cd drive.

^ lol, i remember those days.
Had to go and hunt down a no cd crack so i could play it without the disc inserted.

Nym wrote:enable REASON instruments as VST and be done with it already...i have no interest in the REASON sequencer/routing/interface, just want those nice instruments as vsti. nnxt is a FINE sampler.

Just looked into it and this isn't happening. Reason instruments will only be available in a DAW via Rewire.

I don't understand the "hassle" with the dongle. Propellerhead provides the key with the software, and it took less then 2 minutes to activate. It wasn't a hassle for me at all nor is it when I go to other computers.

NYM- about the Daw statement. You may be cable of getting great sound outta reaper, but you couldn't open a public studio and/or charge notable musicians good money while advertising that reaper, reason, or logic was you're only daw. People wouldn't pay for it regardless of the quality, they want the name and flexibility to take the session to other studios or mastering service providers, you cant just track out each track as wav and give it to em, most people wouldn't return if they have access to the same studio running pro tools. I hate that its like that, but it is.

There's no need to open up reason as vst. In Pt especially, when all you have to do is assign the output. That's fairly simple, I think having it open each instrument as a vst would eat up way more of your cpu than just having it rewire as reason been known to always be light on the cpu. The only thing with the Dongle is that it takes up usb ports. & us musicians need plenty. Pt Dongle, Reason Dongle and whatever else can really start to become a hassle. But I see why they are doing it. Through 5 versions of Reason, they trusted us to buy they sh*t and not download it. I was surprised to see Reason 5 not have a Dongle. & I don't see why there's complaining when Record always needed it a Dongle, & they integrated it with Reason so why not feel to require it.

the dongle issue is more about principle rather then in the field practicality. It's the motives and policies that are behind them that bothers some people, especially people who appreciate or are active users of open source projects and things of that nature. It's simply a difference of opinion in regards to business models and politics.

yeah but reason is one of the, if not the best for sound design while being so light on the cpu, if they dont want it to be open source, then they have every right to protect it. Not having a dongle at this point is sensless, bottomline people arent paying for things if they dont have to, honestly if pt 9 didnt need a key i would be pm'ing HF or surfing the pirate bay

ArKyve-31 wrote:yeah but reason is one of the, if not the best for sound design while being so light on the cpu, if they dont want it to be open source, then they have every right to protect it. Not having a dongle at this point is sensless, bottomline people arent paying for things if they dont have to, honestly if pt 9 didnt need a key i would be pm'ing HF or surfing the pirate bay

last time I checked I was only successful at tracking a working mac version of PT9... that was several (maybe 6) months ago. I am confident that a windows version is now available though I have not checked. I have a version of nuendo that requires a dongle to be used and I have a dongle emulator and crack that works for that. I am confident a dongle emulator will be available for the new reason, just how the old reason versions required the orkster cd apon installation which back in the 2.0 era was tough to get past when the required tools at the time were not so well known.

Fact is, these things dont do anything against piracy 99% of the time, but 100% of the time they effect the purchaser of the product. These are the politics and business models I was eluding to that people who are supporters of open source projects often dislike. I didn't at all mean that reason would be better off being open source and didn't mean to sound as if I thought it should be. However one thing to get passed is the fact that people often confuse the definition of open source to meaning nothing more then "free" which is not the case... it means a whole lot more then that and it takes a different type of project model and development workflow to even build something that way. Look at linux builds as a primary example.

again, I understand why companies are doing DRM and things of that nature but I dont always agree with it. It's like if the evian CEO contaminated the entire evian water supply just to deter thieves from stealing any bottles.

mr_debauch wrote: but 100% of the time they effect the purchaser of the product. .

I'm just not clear on how a dongle is such a negative effect on the user?

well in this case it may not... it was more a general explanation to this sort of thing... sure, having your pc connected to a server the entire time you are playing a single player offline campaign in some video games is not a big deal to the user either. It's more to do with the principle of the ection then the in field practicality of plugging in a dongle to one of your computer's 12 USB ports.

That was what I was talking about.

ArKyve-31 wrote:I'm just not clear on how a dongle is such a negative effect on the user?

It isn't... It's just people getting hung up over nothing.

I'd rather not have a dongle with Cubase, but it is what it is. At least there's a decent resale value because of it.

I definitely have a problem with companies who feel the need to inconvenience legitimate customers in some blinkered attempt to convince file sharers to become paying customers. I think we all know that most file sharers are NOT going to be converted to buying a piece of software, just because they can't get a cracked copy. Instead they'll just move on to another software, or just wait for the inevitable cracked version to appear. If these companies think DRM solves the piracy 'issue', they simply haven't been paying much attention to goings on in the past few years.

The fact is, running a dongle is an inconvenience - in terms of a wasted USB port, and £30 cost should you lose it. Beyond that, it's the principle - paying customers should have things as easy as possible and not have to help the company with their piracy 'battle' - that's the company's problem, and I would argue that it isn't really a 'problem' at all - these are, on the whole, not lost sales, and perhaps these companies should spend more time looking at other ways in which they can monetise these millions of pirates who clearly love their product, while at the same time looking at ways to make their loyal customer base even happier (and no doubt more in the mood to spend even more money with them).

It's like TV series file sharing. Much of that is down to territorial restrictions and release 'windows' - when the latest True Blood comes out in the US, the UK wants to watch it as well, they don't want to wait weeks or months before it's shown there. So many people download it from file sharing sites. The TV companies shout 'foul' and try to lobby government to force ISPs to block these file sharing sites at the ISP level. However, rather than just piss off millions of your fans, why not simply do away with the geographical windows and release the things at the same time world wide? It's not hard to listen to your customers.

well written, Tutor!

/reason user since v1, will not upgrade rsn5 to 6