Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By scoobylol Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:48 pm
As we all know there's a lot of looking back to go forward involved in everything in life from music, to fashion and most elements of creativity.

Since the 90s and the mega eruption of hardcore, jungle and subsequently DnB, and it's slight death in the early 2000s I haven't really heard much in the way of breakbeat influenced music per se, at least in the more mainstream realm.

I mean everything since then has very much been, to my ears, made up of one shots, or at least less akin to the more "traditional" methods of using breaks. A more sample-based approach as it were seemed to have faded out of fashion being replaced with more a synth-tastic 80s vibe.

But over the past couple of years, and I'm looking more at pop music here and even genres like dubstep I've noticed a slight trend moving back towards a sound that is almost reminiscent of the early hardcore scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwHe0ddggig

That's somewhere in the charts at the moment, and I've heard a few other tunes too. I think there was a Dizzee Rascal tune using the Think break not too long ago.

Emalkay, who is a big dancefloor dubstep producer has a couple of tracks on his new LP that are more break driven. Skream's remix of Going in for the Kill, again featured a big amen drop more akin to the hardcore vibe than dubstep.

I'm not too sure what my point is here but I hope there's a resurgence in break driven music. We've seen "future garage" emerge as a genre, I'd love to see "future jungle", particularly considering the way DnB has evolved in the past couple of years to be more akin to techno and A-Ha.
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By Coz Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:23 pm
If you were there first time around it's not that exciting to hear it coming back IMO. Did break driven music ever go away though? That's the question...

Also, "future jungle" using old breaks sounds like a huge oxymoron.
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By scoobylol Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:43 pm
I think it did go away in a sense whereby the focus of the music was seemingly less about the drums in terms of complex arrangement, manipulation etc... It wasn't breakbeat driven or focussed as such. When jungle was at it's peak you had artists like Davie Bowie, Bjork, Everything but the Girl etc... all big pop artists looking for remixes or borrowing heavily from the underground genres of the time.

Even Wipeout 2097 (the game for the Playstation) had a beast of a soundtrack made by artists like Leftfield, Orbital, Photek, Source Direct etc... The relative commercial success of albums like Timeless to an extent shows the power of that sound at the time.

I mean yeh you're right they never really left but there's definitely been a distinct shift of focus from the breakbeat as the backbone of tunes IMO. Again like I said at least in that more "traditional" manner.

The "future jungle" thing is just a bad way of trying to keep in context what I mean. I don't particularly see "future garage" as a genre, just an extension of dubstep.

EDIT: It just seems like things are going full circle quite quickly, and I for one am all for it. I'm bored of the standard DnB two step pattern. I'm really bored of the mellow synth vibe of artists like Bop etc... DnB seems to have lost it's subtle darkness that once made it so powerful, and I want it back :cry:
By MPC O.G. Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:48 pm
What's going on is, youngsters THAUGHT they new what was the sh!t. Then they found out what WAS/IS the sh!t. So now they appreciate it. Same thing with ALL forms of music. Bullsh!t lasts a few seasons, but classics are FOREVER!
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By Coz Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:26 pm
scoobylol wrote:Coz I've literally signed in on my iPhone just to tell you I've heard an Apache on tonight's shooting stars. The break re-revolution is upon us haha.



:lol:


The Apache rules. 8)
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By CHOPFYT Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:44 pm
Yeah Id say the breaks have been building in pop music over the last 2/3 years all the dub infleunced pop stuff like that break on the Heaven song has been used alot more recently tho Im pretty sure theres two magnetic man songs (or by the members individually) that use a very similar if not the same break. Co sign on the massive attack.
Appaerently according to my friend in the pop industry the next trend or the one at the moment is 90s dance and thats what the labels are looking for. A few years back before dub broke through the infleunce was alot more 80s. I like to hear breaks ion the radio but the same sh*t will happen to them theyll get over used and over played and pretty soon theyll be gone.
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By krush777 Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:48 pm
MPC O.G. wrote:What's going on is, youngsters THAUGHT they new what was the sh!t. Then they found out what WAS/IS the sh!t. So now they appreciate it. Same thing with ALL forms of music. Bullsh!t lasts a few seasons, but classics are FOREVER!


Speak da' truth!!! 8)
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By Coz Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:52 pm
scoobylol wrote:Haha yes Coz. It's inescapable. This is just for you mate, my favourite use of the apache ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPxtaUd84nQ

Although technically I think Source Direct used to use the EQ'd apache from Young MC's "Know How" more often than not. At least according to the Dogs on Acid forum.



I was never a huge fan of the Apache being chopped to death... probably something to do with losing the funk...

Angel was always a nice one back in the day. 8)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GrPZWpd6jo
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By scoobylol Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:43 am
It's not really chopped that much IMO. Nice filter work and some layering too, but anyway listen to that drop!

My dreams.... so..... beautiful

:twisted:

Probably one of the darkest tunes I've ever heard in my life. I can still barely get my head around their age when they were releasing tunes like that and The Crane.

I know how seminal Timeless was, but apart from Inner City Life and Sea of Tears, I didn't really get into it that much. As a label though Headz has always been one of the most pioneering. There's probably only Reinforced who can really compete in terms of sheer originality. They almost wrote the rule book as it were.
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By Ibunshi Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:19 am
dont use breaks myself, but much rather listen to music that uses breaks than most of the sterile noise type of drums that are all over the place now