Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By Jamon Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:15 pm
The phpBB database is not designed to format the data to be useful in bug-specific sorts, so exporting it does not fit the requirements for intended use.

The secret plan was for JJOS.net to become the open source MPC OS project. It doesn't work to have people trying to manage development in a sub-forum.

I'll just contact JJ OS company prematurely. If their web system changes, it won't matter what is done here, because the developers decide how it works.
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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By MPC-Tutor Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:30 pm
Jamon wrote:The phpBB database is not designed to format the data to be useful in bug-specific sorts, so exporting it does not fit the requirements for intended use.


As I said, this is MPC-Forums.com, not JJ's site, not JJOS.net. This is a forum and forum members requested a bug sub forum so that forum members can post up bugs and feature requests. So that's what I did. The 'intended use' of this sub forum appears to be ticking along quite well. And if it helps JJ, that's cool.

The secret plan was for JJOS.net to become the open source MPC OS project. It doesn't work to have people trying to manage development in a sub-forum.


No one here is stopping you doing that, I really can't see why this completely separate forum that has existed quite happily for nearly 10 years, is going to stop you setting up your open source MPC OS project. We even actively promote your site from our resources menu.

And as I originally said, I'm not interested in 'managing development' of the JJ OS, that's the JJ people's job. Just running a forum here - people post up stuff, people respond to it, people talk, etc etc. If people want to set up sites with a structured bug database, be it you, JJ or anyone else, that's their business, best of luck, and if down the line we can help out, that's great, let's see what happens. I have no grand plan.

In the meantime, just happy to see people posting on the forums.
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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By Sooty_G Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:55 am
cosign on what Tutor said. the way the new bug/request forum is set up is great. it's already sparked a lot of good ideas and it keeps the discussion organized.

Jamon, your site is YOUR site. you can't force people to use it, contribute to it, or expect people to share your vision or interests regarding some possible future project regarding JJ OS that may or may not ever happen.

if it happens that tons of people start using your site then it will have to happen naturally, you can't force it. but personally speaking - i don't want to go to 3 or more different sites to keep up with JJ OS. JJ hosts the OS & the documentation & this forum deals with the discussion & the bugs/features. this forum is easy to use and gets a lot of traffic & contributors. most people just want to make some beats & get help with some basic problems or bugs. they're not programmers or developers that have any need for a detailed bug-tracking setup or coding-related tools, etc...

Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By Jamon Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:49 am
It isn't MY site. It's like if there were a project to fix a local park, by planting grass, flowers, and installing new benches and swings. But it's started by an outsider. So first they protest, and then no one shows up, avoiding the desolate site, and the stranger alone in the dirt.

Then some locals are like, "I know! Let's plant some grass, and put up some swings", and they do, in THEIR territory, where it's on private property, and the grass is the wrong kind, so it won't last, and the swings are shoddy. But it's THEIRS, the ghetto locals, so they like it more.

But they don't understand, and they work going nowhere. If they just trusted the stranger, with the knowhow, then they could've had a nice public park, that benefited them all, and he would've left town, and their families could enjoy it for years to come. It'd be THEIR park.

I don't care about your town. I don't want to be your friend, or establish a business to take all your money. I just pass through, and on the way, drive over potholes, and walk through dirt at the park. I see people sitting on buckets, when it'd be so easy to install a bench. So I want to.

It takes a while, to get around to it, but then the timing is right, and I come in with my tools, and motivation, and say, "Let's go! Let's fix the park!" -- "Who the hell are you? Our park is just fine!". So goes the tale, and so stands the park, just as slummy as ever. But you are glad.

Because YOU would rather have a slummy park, and throw up some shoddy swings, if it means keeping it local, where it's comfortable, and you and your friends can pat each other on the back. It takes someone thinking beyond their emotion to know it's better to invest in the future.

But I don't have to convince you. I can skip the locals, and go straight to the officials, who actually own the park. Instead of getting people to volunteer to follow a plan to fix it up, all I need to do is get a proposal passed, and the plan will be imposed on the public, with or without support.

So don't worry about it. Continue posting in YOUR park, and ignore JJOS.net. I'll contact the officials, and see what they say. If there's no interest, then all that happens is the park doesn't get fixed, and people continue to live in their filth, oblivious to what could've been.
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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By m:t:c Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:05 am
I say, keep working on jjos.net, people will find it eventually if they think that it adds value to their JJOS experience. People can't be forced to use any web service ever, that's just how the internet works...

That said, if you put in the work and give a glimpse of this brighter future so that others can relate to it and share it, then you're on the right track.
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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By distortedtekno Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:36 am
Jamon wrote:It isn't MY site. It's like if there were a project to fix a local park, by planting grass, flowers, and installing new benches and swings. But it's started by an outsider. So first they protest, and then no one shows up, avoiding the desolate site, and the stranger alone in the dirt.

Then some locals are like, "I know! Let's plant some grass, and put up some swings", and they do, in THEIR territory, where it's on private property, and the grass is the wrong kind, so it won't last, and the swings are shoddy. But it's THEIRS, the ghetto locals, so they like it more.

But they don't understand, and they work going nowhere. If they just trusted the stranger, with the knowhow, then they could've had a nice public park, that benefited them all, and he would've left town, and their families could enjoy it for years to come. It'd be THEIR park.

I don't care about your town. I don't want to be your friend, or establish a business to take all your money. I just pass through, and on the way, drive over potholes, and walk through dirt at the park. I see people sitting on buckets, when it'd be so easy to install a bench. So I want to.

It takes a while, to get around to it, but then the timing is right, and I come in with my tools, and motivation, and say, "Let's go! Let's fix the park!" -- "Who the hell are you? Our park is just fine!". So goes the tale, and so stands the park, just as slummy as ever. But you are glad.

Because YOU would rather have a slummy park, and throw up some shoddy swings, if it means keeping it local, where it's comfortable, and you and your friends can pat each other on the back. It takes someone thinking beyond their emotion to know it's better to invest in the future.

But I don't have to convince you. I can skip the locals, and go straight to the officials, who actually own the park. Instead of getting people to volunteer to follow a plan to fix it up, all I need to do is get a proposal passed, and the plan will be imposed on the public, with or without support.

So don't worry about it. Continue posting in YOUR park, and ignore JJOS.net. I'll contact the officials, and see what they say. If there's no interest, then all that happens is the park doesn't get fixed, and people continue to live in their filth, oblivious to what could've been.


wow... it's just the internet. no need to take it so personal.
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Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By MPC-Tutor Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:12 am
Jamon wrote:It's like if there were a project to fix a local park, by planting grass, flowers, and installing new benches and swings. But it's started by an outsider. So first they protest, and then no one shows up, avoiding the desolate site, and the stranger alone in the dirt.


The outsider has his own 'park', and is free to do whatever he pleases to his own park. Unfortunately the 'outsider' has decided that the older, more established park is doing everything wrong. However the other park owners are quite happy with the way their park is, and have set up the park in a way that all the 'locals' of the park are very happy with, and in fact it's set up in the way the 'locals' specifically requested.

The established park did actually like what the 'outsider' was doing to his own park, and not only gave him plenty of encouragement when people were hating on him, they also placed free ads for his park in a prominent position in their park. So it comes as a bit of a surprise to find the 'outsider' getting quite aggressive to the park owner who from the very start has only tried to be helpful to him.

The established park still thinks the 'outsider' should continue tending to his own park, and would prefer it if the outsider would stop getting so upset simply because the established park is doing its own thing. The established park thinks there's plenty of room in town for both parks as the parks are actually completely different in make up and serve very different purposes, although both with the same end goal of helping the 'park users community'.

Equally, the 'established park' is happy for the outsider to visit and enjoy their park whenever he pleases, but do ask that he plays nicely, keep his dog on a leash and refrain from feeding the squirrels.

Re: Separate sub-forums for bug and requests?

By evil A Sulli Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:39 am
Jamon wrote:
Otherwise, once JJ OS is dead, the business, or the developer, it's gone. You're left with some forum posts, which may not even be accessible, because internet technology may transform significantly in coming years.


Jamon be easy my man...since JJos.net you've been posting less and many people here respect your opinion and want you to post more on important topics.

I feel your pain and I did request you make it a wiki and you told me it is; I need to login to find out. Well I will meet you half way. I will log in if you agree to make some minor changes that will make the site more popular.
m:t:c wrote:
You're left with some forum posts, which may not even be accessible, because internet technology may transform significantly in coming years.

BTW i can't login


MPC-Tutor wrote:
Jamon wrote:Are you thinking ahead?


I was contacted by a couple of regular forum posters here who asked me to set up a sub forum for bugs and feature requests.


"MPC-Tutor" I just want you to know that it took me a while to find the new sub forum because it was so high up. Is it possible to put it right above the old request forum so people don't assume it is locked for good.

Or you can lock this thread above the old feature request.
Thanks
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