MPC1000/2500 X-Large LCD w/modified JJOS

mpcstuff.com wrote:There will be a slight curve where you may see some things missing since this OS has been built from the ground up.

Ahhhh.... THIS is what I have been waiting to hear for a long time. Does this mean the slate with the original icky-poo Akai software spec has finally been wiped clean to start over without all the roadblocks?

That alone would be an excelent reason to invest in this OS and it's future development IMHO.

Yeah starting with a fresh codebase is actually a pretty big deal. You end up with cleaner, more efficient code. The downside, however, is that backwards compatibility becomes a headache, and in some cases untenable...

mp3 wrote:Yeah starting with a fresh codebase is actually a pretty big deal. You end up with cleaner, more efficient code. The downside, however, is that backwards compatibility becomes a headache, and in some cases untenable...

Yup, that's true.

So people will probably have to do the same thing they've been doing with all the other previous OS versions -- if you have an old project, you have to run it on the OS it was made with.

Might help if there was an external computer app to convert projects, at least as much as they can be converted given the different available parameters involved. Wait -- did we have an app like that at one point?

Personally I'm content to just move on, but that's me.

backwards compatability would be dope, as it would be a headache switching screens to switch back operating systems to open an old project, but honestly im not interested in one of these anyway, so that wont be a problem for me.

heads with two mpc's would be cool if they switched one of them to os128xl provided it had alot of the features that it now lacks in the beta. that would be the best of both worlds.

mp3 wrote:

mpcstuff.com wrote: If you choose to wait for it to evolve before purchasing the LCD, that would be totally understandable.

Yeah but it would also hurt your bottom line. I could be wrong but I think the people most likely to buy your screen are paid JJ users, and so this newsbreak puts us on the sideline until backwards compatibility and featureset are addressed.

Indeed. The potential customers are MPC nuts + JJOS2XL zealots to the core (i.e. anyone in this thread). Giving them any less than what they are using now is seen as preposterous. If you're going to target this unrelenting niche the software side will need to get up to the high par that is OS2XL, so there will be very little 'for sure' sales until that happens.

I hope it's able to progress far relatively quickly, as this is something I will definitely get if the circumstances change.

The function which is in OS2XL and is not in OS128XL

There are not SAMPLE START of Q-link, SAMPLE END, and CHOP.
Bars loop

this is an issue for me.
mainly Barsloop !

mpcstuff.com wrote:To clarify a few things for everyone.

The 128OS to operate the Larger LCD screens comes FREE with the new Large XLCD. While some may see this as a downgrade from the OS2 or OS2XL, please note that not everyone currently has these paid JJ OS's installed on their MPCs. In fact, from the used MPCs we see in here for sales and service I would say only 5-10% of them have a PAID JJ OS. So for most people this will still be an upgrade when it comes to the OS.
For those that are current paid JJ OS users, not to worry the OS128XL will evolve. If you choose to wait for it to evolve before purchasing the LCD, that would be totally understandable.

As for the PAID OS pricing, the OS128XL is JJs work. We have no say in pricing or the paid OS functionality. We will try to find out some more info on the pricing structure and keep you updated. We also hope that a previous OS holders can get a discount on the new OS's but we are unsure. Keep in mind if JJ wasn't able to make money with the paid OSs he would not be doing them anymore and leave us all high and dry with the old releases. I totally understand that pricing can seem high, but IMO what he has offered is worth it.

As for some of the missing features from OS2XL: Please realize these features are missing from this ORIGINAL BETA version of the OS. We all know JJ always updates the OS and that is the fun of it (kind of). The OS WILL evolve. There will be a slight curve where you may see some things missing since this OS has been built from the ground up. Just hoping you guys will be a bit more patient before passing judgement when it comes to the PAID OS.

***When reading this remember I am a supporter of the JJ OS and MPCStuff****

Sounds a bit political or like a car salesmen.

The offset of the lack of features is bigger than the gain of the larger screen in it's current form for any OS2XL user.
No matter how you spin it, it lands on the same point.

Your statements also contradict what JJ put on his site:

The load of CPU is large, or since a problem arises, OS128XL does not have the following function.

That doesn't support the missing features will be added comment.

I understand you are trying to protect your investment and share info but it's starting to walk a fine line that shouldn't be crossed.

I'm pretty sure if you and JJ co0mpared customers you would find that you have a very common base of people.

As mentioned the people who are using your aftermarket products are also the people running JJ.
They both are about getting the most out of your MPC so that's what we have come to expect from both of you.

With said this statement puts things in true perspective for many of us.

Please realize these features are missing from this ORIGINAL BETA version of the OS.

Why not wait until the OS is proper before offering?

We would rather see a large screen offered with a OS comparable to what we are using than this current offering.
It really killed much of the large screen excitement we had.

ntalec wrote:The offset of the lack of features is bigger than the gain of the larger screen in it's current form for any OS2XL user.

A*M*E*N

Seems that it's backwards compatible (check out the bottom of the page):http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/128xl/screen/

its like when dude came out with the fat pads, he just had to put that damn logo on one of the pads, almost but no cookie Mike.. and all i really wanted was a screen that could tilt that i could use on my 1000 with my JJOS2XL so i wouldnt have to kink my neck. i think im just gonna build a tilted platform for it to sith on for like 30.00 - 50.00 dollars... why does it have to be sooooo hard, all u gotta do is make some screens and have the normal jjos stretch to fit, i think cats would be happy with that and buy more, just like all u had to do was leave the mpc-stuff logo off the one pad on the fat pads and u woulda sold way more. by the way you can definitely feel that logo with ur fingers while ur banging pads, its annoying, and when u said that peeps actually contacted you saying they installed the pads upside down cause they didnt even notice or feel the logo, well those dudes are either blind or on bath salts... not trying to hate here MPCSTUFF.COM, but i am a customer, a loyal one, i spend money with you. and when i buy pads and have to cut a row of pads off to do away with a logo, well its unacceptable. and when i buy a jog wheel for 10-15 bucks and the post has been cut all gheto and rough like, its unacceptable too. the big screens are dope and all, but the os?? again and again and again... listen to us. we want to support you. ur company and what you have done so far is great, you are innovative, ur pads them selfs are the shit and way better then stock. its just little things that are killing it for me......we still love you man, just gotta throw you some feed back every once in a while

konc3pt wrote:

mpcstuff.com wrote:In fact, from the used MPCs we see in here for sales and service I would say only 5-10%

with all the respect.

in my opinion people who are likely to send an mpc to get it serviced by you are the same ones who most likely still use akai os n arent aware of jj or ones who use free version. and most likely these will be the same people who will ship out their mpcs to you to get their extra large screens installed.

While I understand your thinking, most of the MPCs we see in here are NOT for repairs, they MPCs people are selling and we buy them in. It's not just the guys that cant fix their MPCs that dont have the JJ PAID OS. BUT, you are correct, I think that a lot of the people are not aware of the JJ OS, but those ones have the Akai OS. I think most of it is financial, and people don't want to fork out the money for the paid OS. Most of the MPC1000s and 2500s come in here with the FREE JJ. They have no idea what they are missing

inflict3 wrote:
on more positive note I really like the bigger screen n hope mpcstuff and JJ can come up with viable solution for both parties.


cant JJ inject support for larger screen into the paid version while developing 128OS with mpcstuff ? I mean sounds simple enough and would make everybody happy no ?

Not sure what you are asking here.

m:t:c wrote:Seems that it's backwards compatible (check out the bottom of the page):http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/128xl/screen/

As far as my testing is concerned it is. I will have to talk to JJ more about it though to be 100% sure there are not glitches that I dont see.

ntalec wrote:
***When reading this remember I am a supporter of the JJ OS and MPCStuff****

Sounds a bit political or like a car salesmen.

The offset of the lack of features is bigger than the gain of the larger screen in it's current form for any OS2XL user.
No matter how you spin it, it lands on the same point.

Your statements also contradict what JJ put on his site:

The load of CPU is large, or since a problem arises, OS128XL does not have the following function.

Please realize these features are missing from this ORIGINAL BETA version of the OS.

Why not wait until the OS is proper before offering? The 128OSXL is NOT available yet on JJs site to my knowledge.

We would rather see a large screen offered with a OS comparable to what we are using than this current offering.
It really killed much of the large screen excitement we had.

Ok, as for the

The load of CPU is large, or since a problem arises, OS128XL does not have the following function.

Its something that is an issue now, but it will be addressed. The 128OSXL has not even been released yet. I am not JJ so I cant be 100% sure how he can compress and change things that need to be changed to make it work. He did tell me that this may take time to perfect.

ntalec wrote:
Why not wait until the OS is proper before offering?

We would rather see a large screen offered with a OS comparable to what we are using than this current offering.
It really killed much of the large screen excitement we had.

We have the free 128OS features set as it is and that is what WE offer with the kit. That is why we are selling the item now despite if the paid OS is not what you personally expect it should be right now.

I dont expect all of the current paid JJ OS2XL guys to buy the LCD screen and switch to the larger LCD screen w/ non paid OS, as you would lose features you have grown accustomed to. I am sorry if you thought the new free OS128 was going to have more features than the paid version of the OS2XL

This is not 100% the same but its like if you buy a MacBook, it comes with iMovie on it which is very simple and not fully featured, but its perfectly fine for some people. Some guys will want FinalCut software on it, but that doesn't mean that the iMovie software is not usable or that Apple shouldn't offer it free with the MacBook.

JJ is a software developer and it working with a new platform. There will be growing pains. The futures of OS128XL (PAID), will evolve and we are not forcing anyone to buy it prematurely before they decide if has the features they need.

Please understand not everyone's opinion is the same. You all can bash it, but there a ton of guys out there using the free OS or Akai OS that would benefit from this upgrade even with the FREE OS that comes with it.

I am not quite sure I can keep up with all these posts, so I may need to stop posting so I can get some work done.Iif you have questions or concerns feel free to email me direct at [email protected]

So let me throw these main points out....

-The screens work great and give your MPC a larger footprint.

-The JJ OS128 that comes with it FREE, will not be full featured as the PAID current JJOS2XL but it has HUGE upside compared to the Free JJ OS and the Akai OS.

-The JJ OS128XL (Paid Version) will evolve just as all the other OSs did. Right now, it may not be for you and that is understandable.

Guys, Please give it a chance. We spent A LOT of TIME, MONEY, AND EFFORT into making these LCDs. They will evolve and I believe later on you will remember back to this. Its hard for us to not to feel deflated when no one has anything good to say, especially when the product has not been released , no one has tried it and the paid OS has yet to be released.

So if we can all take a deep breath and relax for a bit. This is the early stage of the OS development. Let JJ work his magic. We are all in the same boat when it comes to the OS, its just wait and see.

mpcstuff.com wrote:

sally wrote:

Jj is not a programmer
debugging and mpcstuff is
obsolescent.

Not sure what you are saying here?

sorry, my English is so poor ...


but , thankfully...
is only my poor English.