Top 5 changes you want for MPC 2.0

Spoff77 wrote:Plug-In delay compensation.

wot you mean?

For 1.8 i'd like them to revamp the song mode so it would be useable like a modern DAW such as Cubase.
You would still see the MPC sequences used and still be able to choose how many times and when they should play.
But you could also add real audio tracks on the song mode and they wouldn't be sequence-dependant. You can route and record there directly, and add VST effects to the audio track. You could also move them right and left with the mouse, add fade-in and fade-out, normalize, pitch-shift, time-stretch, etc.
You would also be able to convert a MPC sequence into one of these audio track and it would automatically freeze the MPC sequence (if you used VST it wouldn't use cpu anymore when frozen).
You get the idea ? Basically it's audio track but directly in the song mode, and not dependant of one MPC sequence but for the whole song. I don't even care if there are things we can't do with the controller in this mode.

For 1.9 they should go for a fully featured mastering window. I love the one in studio one. It converts every tracks in one stereo track and let you analyze, add effects here and there, correct audio issues and last but not least you can actually merge different songs one after the other into that mastering project so you can build an album easily and get it coherent. And then you can export the whole thing to soundcloud or as Wav files.

Then for 2.0 they release a new MPC controller with embedded Windows and a bigger screen, fully standalone :q

MiniDX wrote:For 1.8 i'd like them to revamp the song mode so it would be useable like a modern DAW such as Cubase.
You would still see the MPC sequences used and still be able to choose how many times and when they should play.
But you could also add real audio tracks on the song mode and they wouldn't be sequence-dependant. You can route and record there directly, and add VST effects to the audio track. You could also move them right and left with the mouse, add fade-in and fade-out, normalize, pitch-shift, time-stretch, etc.
You would also be able to convert a MPC sequence into one of these audio track and it would automatically freeze the MPC sequence (if you used VST it wouldn't use cpu anymore when frozen).
You get the idea ? Basically it's audio track but directly in the song mode, and not dependant of one MPC sequence but for the whole song. I don't even care if there are things we can't do with the controller in this mode.

For 1.9 they should go for a fully featured mastering window. I love the one in studio one. It converts every tracks in one stereo track and let you analyze, add effects here and there, correct audio issues and last but not least you can actually merge different songs one after the other into that mastering project so you can build an album easily and get it coherent. And then you can export the whole thing to soundcloud or as Wav files.

Then for 2.0 they release a new MPC controller with embedded Windows and a bigger screen, fully standalone :q

A lot of this is overkill and unrealistic and in my opinon not needed you just cited Cubase and Studio One as examples. you couldn't use thoses ?. there are dozens of DAWs on the market that are able to do all this far better.
no mastering window, leave the mastering to someone that knows what the are doing
that is a science in itself.
The MPC has a unquie history and work flow, lets feed off that first try and
get it to be the bestever not a half assed DAW and all the problems that go along
with that. Sorry if i'm having a pop but please be realistic unless you prepared to
support these fancy ideas financially.

This is realistic.

MPC has a history and workflow based on standalone unit that has been broken. Now we got something that use a computer, then let's use the actual computer power. Otherwise it's always going to be stuck in the past and the whole move was unnecessary.

And the software should be self-sufficient, you should never ever need to plug your DAW into another DAW to get the things to work. This is the worst thing ever.

If i get your logic, i don't even need the MPC R since i got other DAWs ? I can sequence and sample already. Come on.

It's all about going for a true fully featured MPC DAW that will not be ashamed in comparison with ableton and other competitors.

MiniDX wrote:This is realistic.

MPC has a history and workflow based on standalone unit that has been broken. Now we got something that use a computer, then let's use the actual computer power. Otherwise it's always going to be stuck in the past and the whole move was unnecessary.

And the software should be self-sufficient, you should never ever need to plug your DAW into another DAW to get the things to work. This is the worst thing ever.

If i get your logic, i don't even need the MPC R since i got other DAWs ? I can sequence and sample already. Come on.

It's all about going for a true fully featured MPC DAW that will not be ashamed in comparison with ableton and other competitors.

i don't need another Daw i like it as an instrument with a sequencer and the convenience of integrating with a PC but i guess i'm in the minority. you cannot seriously complete with ableton please you are in dreamland.

nothing is unrealistic if you have huge resources. NUmark don't. that is where reality bites.

yes you are a minority, and you lack ambitions. What do you think was the idea when they created the MPC Software ? They're going toward a full daw, step by step. And this is not dreamland, this is happening.

A lot of people are using the MPC Software standalone and going to a daw only for audio tracks and mastering. This is a request that has been asked massively for months now. I only went further because of recent massive progress from last update.

MiniDX wrote:yes you are a minority, and you lack ambitions. What do you think was the idea when they created the MPC Software ? They're going toward a full daw, step by step. And this is not dreamland, this is happening.

A lot of people are using the MPC Software standalone and going to a daw only for audio tracks and mastering. This is a request that has been asked massively for months now. I only went further because of recent massive progress from last update.

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MiniDX wrote:A lot of people are using the MPC Software standalone and going to a daw only for audio tracks and mastering.

yes because they do that better. the problem is that everybody is pushing the DAW
you gotta have the MPC foundations solid first. how many requests to we get from
legacy users saying" i'm thinking about buying a ren? can i do this and that?"
theres no lack of ambition to see the best sampling drum machine ever made.

i respect your view point i just think the full on DAW is a long way off.

I think that too much daw Features would kill the mpc concept and workflow.
Mpc software should stay expert in creating midi based music.
At least it should have everything on board that is needed on the creative part.
Mastering and vocal-edit, recording, mixing is the DAW Part.
That s where a daw is the expert, no mpc buisness...

5 top features in my opinion:
Side chain
A new top notch Plugin Bundle ( Compressor, eq, reverb, tape, Multieffect)
Realtime timestretch, pitchshift
More sample edit options like in the Old akai/ensoniq.. samplers
The option to let the mixer always open on a second screen.
And of course all the small things that were already mentioned before

So we are throwing the Ren under the bus?

LOL

Iron Leg wrote:

MiniDX wrote:For 1.8 i'd like them to revamp the song mode so it would be useable like a modern DAW such as Cubase.
You would still see the MPC sequences used and still be able to choose how many times and when they should play.
But you could also add real audio tracks on the song mode and they wouldn't be sequence-dependant. You can route and record there directly, and add VST effects to the audio track. You could also move them right and left with the mouse, add fade-in and fade-out, normalize, pitch-shift, time-stretch, etc.
You would also be able to convert a MPC sequence into one of these audio track and it would automatically freeze the MPC sequence (if you used VST it wouldn't use cpu anymore when frozen).
You get the idea ? Basically it's audio track but directly in the song mode, and not dependant of one MPC sequence but for the whole song. I don't even care if there are things we can't do with the controller in this mode.

For 1.9 they should go for a fully featured mastering window. I love the one in studio one. It converts every tracks in one stereo track and let you analyze, add effects here and there, correct audio issues and last but not least you can actually merge different songs one after the other into that mastering project so you can build an album easily and get it coherent. And then you can export the whole thing to soundcloud or as Wav files.

Then for 2.0 they release a new MPC controller with embedded Windows and a bigger screen, fully standalone :q

A lot of this is overkill and unrealistic and in my opinon not needed you just cited Cubase and Studio One as examples. you couldn't use thoses ?. there are dozens of DAWs on the market that are able to do all this far better.
no mastering window, leave the mastering to someone that knows what the are doing
that is a science in itself.
The MPC has a unquie history and work flow, lets feed off that first try and
get it to be the bestever not a half assed DAW and all the problems that go along
with that. Sorry if i'm having a pop but please be realistic unless you prepared to
support these fancy ideas financially.

Word!

I think that too much daw Features would kill the mpc concept and workflow.
Mpc software should stay expert in creating midi based music.
At least it should have everything on board that is needed on the creative part.
Mastering and vocal-edit, recording, mixing is the DAW Part.
That s where a daw is the expert, no mpc buisness...

True!

^^ This... I don't want to see this turn into a DAW. I just don't see the point. The MPC is an instrument. Make it the best one ever.

I'd like to see an option to turn off the MPC sequencer and use the MPC as a sound module in a DAW. Why they didn't do this is beyond me, and highlights how half-baked the plugin mode still is IMO. Why do I need two sequencers running at the same time???

I'd also like to see the ability to use either a) as many virtual outs to my sequencer as I want. 1.7 expanded to 16 stereo which is nice... but why stop there? Or let me load as many MPC instances in my DAW as I want.

They really need two versions of the software - one with sequencer that allows full compsition without a DAW, one without a sequencer that allows full composition as a DAW sound module instrument (plugin). And if I'm using a DAW, I don't need to host plugins in the MPC either. Elements is a mess as a plugin in Logic (saving alone is broken), but if they tighten it up, turn off the sequencer, they are close.

So, if I want to use the MPC with the Ren or Studio, I launch one software flavor, if I want to use in a DAW as a plugin I use another flavor. Both should allow all the classic sample manipulation that the MPC is known for.

I can respect that folks want this to go the way of the DAW, but I just don't get it. I get frustrated when I hear people mention things like mastering. IMO mastering features have no business in a software instrument like the MPC. No one serious will EVER open the MPC software to start mastering ANYTHING. Leave that stuff out of the MPC. Studio One is different - that's a DAW, not an instrument. Add a "mastering" window and I'm convinced that the MPC is being written for bedroom producers that make 2 bar loops of kick, snare, hihat and a sample, and want to "master" their beatz, and are convinced that the MPC needs to be a DAW. Stop it!!!

[quote="pituchez"][quote="Spoff77"]Plug-In delay compensation.[/quote]


wot you mean?[/quote]


What I am referring to is that if you use some plug-ins, especially things like good third-party compressors, limiters, etc the sound or track you put the plug-in on will be delayed compared to how it hits right now. So if you put one of these effects on a snare your snare will be delayed compared to the rest of the sounds. While this can be corrected by shifting the sound or track with the plug-in earlier in the mix, it is time consuming and not realistic when some of the sounds start at 1/1/000. Not having this feature makes using things like a lot of the UAD plug-ins difficult.

Luckily most plug-ins report the amount of ms delay they add to the OS, so a program can sync things back up automatically. They also make it so that if you record a new track or sound to a sequence that has delay compensation on it already it will shift what you recorded the right amount so that it is completely aligned with the sequence you were listening to while you recorded. In other words if what you were listening to from the MPC while you recorded was delayed by 40 milliseconds, it then puts what you recorded 40 milliseconds later. Then when things are bounced down to disk it starts things off at the beginning as it doesn't need to delay when doing a bounce.


Spoff

Spoff77 wrote:

pituchez wrote:

Spoff77 wrote:Plug-In delay compensation.

wot you mean?

What I am referring to is that if you use some plug-ins, especially things like good third-party compressors, limiters, etc the sound or track you put the plug-in on will be delayed compared to how it hits right now. So if you put one of these effects on a snare your snare will be delayed compared to the rest of the sounds. While this can be corrected by shifting the sound or track with the plug-in earlier in the mix, it is time consuming and not realistic when some of the sounds start at 1/1/000. Not having this feature makes using things like a lot of the UAD plug-ins difficult.

Luckily most plug-ins report the amount of ms delay they add to the OS, so a program can sync things back up automatically. They also make it so that if you record a new track or sound to a sequence that has delay compensation on it already it will shift what you recorded the right amount so that it is completely aligned with the sequence you were listening to while you recorded. In other words if what you were listening to from the MPC while you recorded was delayed by 40 milliseconds, it then puts what you recorded 40 milliseconds later. Then when things are bounced down to disk it starts things off at the beginning as it doesn't need to delay when doing a bounce.


Spoff

ahh

def sounds nice

and
quote="peelnpuff"]I think that too much daw Features would kill the mpc concept and workflow.
Mpc software should stay expert in creating midi based music.
At least it should have everything on board that is needed on the creative part.
Mastering and vocal-edit, recording, mixing is the DAW Part.
That s where a daw is the expert, no mpc buisness...

5 top features in my opinion:
Side chain
A new top notch Plugin Bundle ( Compressor, eq, reverb, tape, Multieffect)
Realtime timestretch, pitchshift
More sample edit options like in the Old akai/ensoniq.. samplers
The option to let the mixer always open on a second screen.
And of course all the small things that were already mentioned before[/quote]

holy shit..old mpcs had more sample edit options?! we **** def need that!

and like isaid..for the millionth time..but im gona keep saying it so the ppl reporting back to headquarters dont forget..

ability to **** add effects/vst in sample edit mode so that i dont gota be going back and forth to the track and sample edit section!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for me the most important thing right now is
  possibility of automatic recognition of the bpm of a loop
and timestretch which can change the value of bpm and not by percentage