Save sample with new tune/pitch without having to resample?

Is it possible to save your edits on a sample? For example, if I change tune in 'Sample Edit' mode, is it possible to save thoose tuning changes for a new file or do I have to resample the edited sample to be able to save the edited version as a file?

Cause now, when I make tuning changes it only happens in the MPC software, and not in the the actual .wav-file.

Thanks!

Hit extract in sample edit mode and it'll save a copy of the edited sample in your project folder.

willisill wrote:Hit extract in sample edit mode and it'll save a copy of the edited sample in your project folder.

How can I have missed that one?!? Have been resampling for hours until now! Shame on me haha.. Thank you very much

EDIT: Oh wait... Still if I save that new sample and put it in iTunes for example (where i kinda categorize and sort my samples with other samples from other sources), it has the original pitch. It's like the tuning only happens in the software of the MPC program and not in the file per se. Anyone?

rotkiv wrote:

willisill wrote:Hit extract in sample edit mode and it'll save a copy of the edited sample in your project folder.

EDIT: Oh wait... Still if I save that new sample and put it in iTunes for example (where i kinda categorize and sort my samples with other samples from other sources), it has the original pitch. It's like the tuning only happens in the software of the MPC program and not in the file per se. Anyone?

I've just checked this on one of my projects and the separate files are definitely effected. Not sure what has happened to you buddy.

I been checking it out a little more. I could've sworn it was saving the pitched sample, but I opened it in itunes and it is playing at the normal speed. Now when i check any pitched extracted sample, it plays at the original speed. Not sure if I was just imagining it or itunes did something...

Forget extracting, just use Copy and copy the sample as many times you like. Don't forget to rename each copy or you'll globally change all of them at the same time resulting in no pitch changes. Example: Guitar1 is the original, so rename them numerically for easier naming like Guitar2, Guitar3 etc.

Now just adjust pitch of each sample you copied. Viola homeboy!

willisill wrote:I been checking it out a little more. I could've sworn it was saving the pitched sample, but I opened it in itunes and it is playing at the normal speed. Now when i check any pitched extracted sample, it plays at the original speed. Not sure if I was just imagining it or itunes did something...

I think sample tuning is an MPC specific setting rather than something more universal that can be read by the likes of itunes or audio editors - I don't think it changes the actual wave file itself, it just adds a custom parameter to the file header that tells the MPC to 'tune this sample down -5.00' - this will just be completely ignored by other software. Similarly if you change the end point of a sample in an MPC but don't 'discard', other software will ignore the custom MPC end point and just play the entire sample from start to finish.

MPC-Tutor wrote:

willisill wrote:I been checking it out a little more. I could've sworn it was saving the pitched sample, but I opened it in itunes and it is playing at the normal speed. Now when i check any pitched extracted sample, it plays at the original speed. Not sure if I was just imagining it or itunes did something...

I think sample tuning is an MPC specific setting rather than something more universal that can be read by the likes of itunes or audio editors - I don't think it changes the actual wave file itself, it just adds a custom parameter to the file header that tells the MPC to 'tune this sample down -5.00' - this will just be completely ignored by other software. Similarly if you change the end point of a sample in an MPC but don't 'discard', other software will ignore the custom MPC end point and just play the entire sample from start to finish.

Yes, that I've noticed. So there is no way to process a tuning of the sample that changes the whole file, without resampling that is?

rotkiv wrote:Yes, that I've noticed. So there is no way to process a tuning of the sample that changes the whole file, without resampling that is?

Depends how you are doing it. As I mentioned before I have changed the pitch of sample and it has changed the wav file.

When I am pitching something I will often extract to a separate sample first and then use the pitch change from the sample edit page. I've always known that to be a destructive process in the MPC software.

Never had this issue doing it like that. The file is always altered as per the processing. I didn't know that the MPC software could do non-destructive pitch correction outside of keygroup programs or 16 pad mode.

So how are you applying pitch/time effects?

greavous420 wrote:

rotkiv wrote:Yes, that I've noticed. So there is no way to process a tuning of the sample that changes the whole file, without resampling that is?

Depends how you are doing it. As I mentioned before I have changed the pitch of sample and it has changed the wav file.

When I am pitching something I will often extract to a separate sample first and then use the pitch change from the sample edit page. I've always known that to be a destructive process in the MPC software.

Never had this issue doing it like that. The file is always altered as per the processing. I didn't know that the MPC software could do non-destructive pitch correction outside of keygroup programs or 16 pad mode.

So how are you applying pitch/time effects?

I'm pretty sure I do just like you. The pitch change happends to the file if I do change the pitch (in the process menu) without affecting the tempo of the sample. In that case it processes the file.

But if I want to change the pitch by changing the tuning in sample edit mode (for example playing it an octave down=half the tempo), that change only happens in the MPC software (thinking it's playing the sample in a different "RPM" internally in the software), and not if I want to listen to that file in some other program (iTunes for example). Same goes if I extract or copy it to a new sample.

Note that I'm not talking about the pitch processing without altering the tempo.

Imagine I want to process a sample by adjusting the tuning (tempo+pitch) of the sample by pitching it down 12 semitones. Then the sample is played an octave down in key and half the tempo compared to the original sample. If I then want to pitch the sample without affecting the tempo, by doing a pitch change in process mode by say, +3 semitones. Then the sample should be played in half the tempo and -9 semitones of the original sample. And it does in the MPC software...

But If I save that file, extracted into a new file or not, and play the file in a different program (f.e. iTunes) then it will be played in the original tempo and +3 semitones in pitch change compared to the original, when I wanted it to be played just like in the MPC software (half the tempo, -9 semitones).

You can copy, but if you don't change the name of the sample then the original sample will be affected like you talking about. If you copy Sample1 and make changes to the copy, then the original file will be affected as well. Gotta rename the copy to trick the software that its a whole new sample.

Ill-Green wrote:You can copy, but if you don't change the name of the sample then the original sample will be affected like you talking about. If you copy Sample1 and make changes to the copy, then the original file will be affected as well. Gotta rename the copy to trick the software that its a whole new sample.

You sure? Cause for me it doesn't. Tried both copying and extracting it to 2 completely different names. Still plays in original pitch&tempo when I play the files in iTunes.

Sample tune is different to pitch shift. Pitch shift permanently processes the audio, it's destructive.

MPC-Tutor wrote:Sample tune is different to pitch shift. Pitch shift permanently processes the audio, it's destructive.

Yea I know, but you can't be destructive with the sample tune??

... or do you mean the "tune" parameter generated by 16 levels mode?