CharlesRandolph wrote:For Ableton PUSH 2 users, this is what they wanted.
Unreallystic wrote:CharlesRandolph wrote:For Ableton PUSH 2 users, this is what they wanted.
No its not. Its Akai trying to bend the work they did on the MPC Live/X into a new ecosystem.
Push 2 users want exactly what MPC users want - a stand-alone option that is fully functional. This doesn't have Analog, Collision,Sampler, etc built in. This won't have VSTs. There is no Max4Live. There will be no "Komplete"
. This will have pretty much the same tools that the MPC has for content generation, but will also double up as an APC for Ableton (I doubt the pads are even velocity sensitive) that will hopefully have some kind of tool for ripping clips made in Ableton - directly to the Force - hence the price being MPC Live + APC.
I dunno, I'm not down, and I'm not up, can't make heads or tails of the long term value of this, what situations will I use this and NOT have a laptop that can run Ableton? With the MPC Live, while it can be used on stage as a drum machine or a clip launcher, for ME it is a scratch pad for ideas foremost - I'll bring it to work, work on music during lunch, and throw it back in the bag. With Force, I don't see me using it outside of an actual performance, its really DJ geared - and - again, at that point whether I am running Traktor (in which case I would just use Remix Decks with my S4) or Serato (DJ-505) - I'd have a laptop.
To me, the Toraiz was a good idea because it had 16 PADs that could be played, Pioneer did a terrible job managing the ecosystem, so it has some what been a failure (and i was overpriced with poor sampling time), but the market for it had room for its existence. I can't speak for others, but playing live on APC style/sized pads that are more like triggers as they aren't velocity sensitive - just sounds un-enjoyable to me. I'd much rather just hook-up a Push 1/2 to a laptop.
And yes I'm still thinking of getting this because I'm a stupid music tech whore...
-Unreall
Danoc wrote:That price though
Unreallystic wrote:[
No its not. Its Akai trying to bend the work they did on the MPC Live/X into a new ecosystem.
Push 2 users want exactly what MPC users want - a stand-alone option that is fully functional. This doesn't have Analog, Collision,Sampler, etc built in. This won't have VSTs. There is no Max4Live. There will be no "Komplete"
. This will have pretty much the same tools that the MPC has for content generation, but will also double up as an APC for Ableton (I doubt the pads are even velocity sensitive) that will hopefully have some kind of tool for ripping clips made in Ableton - directly to the Force - hence the price being MPC Live + APC.
I dunno, I'm not down, and I'm not up, can't make heads or tails of the long term value of this, what situations will I use this and NOT have a laptop that can run Ableton? With the MPC Live, while it can be used on stage as a drum machine or a clip launcher, for ME it is a scratch pad for ideas foremost - I'll bring it to work, work on music during lunch, and throw it back in the bag. With Force, I don't see me using it outside of an actual performance, its really DJ geared - and - again, at that point whether I am running Traktor (in which case I would just use Remix Decks with my S4) or Serato (DJ-505) - I'd have a laptop.
To me, the Toraiz was a good idea because it had 16 PADs that could be played, Pioneer did a terrible job managing the ecosystem, so it has some what been a failure (and i was overpriced with poor sampling time), but the market for it had room for its existence. I can't speak for others, but playing live on APC style/sized pads that are more like triggers as they aren't velocity sensitive - just sounds un-enjoyable to me. I'd much rather just hook-up a Push 1/2 to a laptop.
And yes I'm still thinking of getting this because I'm a stupid music tech whore...
-Unreall
sinik wrote:still not sure if this is the mpc software.
i hope though – the UI looks so much better...
CharlesRandolph wrote:Unreallystic wrote:[
No its not. Its Akai trying to bend the work they did on the MPC Live/X into a new ecosystem.
Push 2 users want exactly what MPC users want - a stand-alone option that is fully functional. This doesn't have Analog, Collision,Sampler, etc built in. This won't have VSTs. There is no Max4Live. There will be no "Komplete"
. This will have pretty much the same tools that the MPC has for content generation, but will also double up as an APC for Ableton (I doubt the pads are even velocity sensitive) that will hopefully have some kind of tool for ripping clips made in Ableton - directly to the Force - hence the price being MPC Live + APC.
I dunno, I'm not down, and I'm not up, can't make heads or tails of the long term value of this, what situations will I use this and NOT have a laptop that can run Ableton? With the MPC Live, while it can be used on stage as a drum machine or a clip launcher, for ME it is a scratch pad for ideas foremost - I'll bring it to work, work on music during lunch, and throw it back in the bag. With Force, I don't see me using it outside of an actual performance, its really DJ geared - and - again, at that point whether I am running Traktor (in which case I would just use Remix Decks with my S4) or Serato (DJ-505) - I'd have a laptop.
To me, the Toraiz was a good idea because it had 16 PADs that could be played, Pioneer did a terrible job managing the ecosystem, so it has some what been a failure (and i was overpriced with poor sampling time), but the market for it had room for its existence. I can't speak for others, but playing live on APC style/sized pads that are more like triggers as they aren't velocity sensitive - just sounds un-enjoyable to me. I'd much rather just hook-up a Push 1/2 to a laptop.
And yes I'm still thinking of getting this because I'm a stupid music tech whore...
-Unreall
Frisbi wrote:Oh my god, the OS is different.
It's not a good news for us Mpc users.
