Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By Eyalc Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:58 pm
CharlesRandolph wrote:The MPC one is going to cannibalize most of the the MPC LIVE future sales, from sheer price point. As far as pushing it as an "entry level/beginners". That's all marketing talk. Because the MPC ONE's software and functionaly is basically the same as the MPC LIVE.

What can the MPC LIVE do that the MPC ONE cannot do? A battery, 1 Extra midi i/o and 4 more outs.


This.

It's like that $10,000 Apple Watch, that has the EXACT same functionality as the $300 Apple Watch. The $10,000 version didn't stand a chance. I get it, much greater cost disparity, but just making a comparison.
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By Danoc Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:16 pm
CharlesRandolph wrote:That's what I'm saying. I think some are bitter because something is wrong with their MPC LIVE. Their lust for gear has corrupted their hearts. YOLO and FOMO has gotten them. Crack fiends for gear. :lol:


:WTF: :lol: :lol:
That's madness!

The One is a nice machine if l didn't have the live l would get that. I don't need 8 outs.
My main things are tight sequencer, explode and exporting stems. Can't front it looks good.
By CharlesRandolph Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:18 pm
The kicker is that Apple Watch stop getting updates in 2018. LOL $10,000K for a watch with 29 grams of gold. There selling a gold MPC with 0 gram of gold. :lol:

Eyalc wrote:
This.

It's like that $10,000 Apple Watch, that has the EXACT same functionality as the $300 Apple Watch. The $10,000 version didn't stand a chance. I get it, much greater cost disparity, but just making a comparison.
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By Danoc Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:37 pm
:lol: :lol: :nod:

40Beatz wrote:I appreciate every feature on the X/Live. Because everytime i dust my Legacy Units off and Make a Beat, OOO WEEE!!!! Light Years Difference.

Here it is we complain about the Most Ridiculous Things on the X/Live/One. I suggest everyone Grab a Legacy Unit, and attempt to make a Beat.

Its Like Hoppin off a 1000cc Kawasaki, and Hoppin on Bicycle wit Training Wheels on it. Ride the Store and Back :lol:
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By EnochLight Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm
Eyalc wrote:This.

It's like that $10,000 Apple Watch, that has the EXACT same functionality as the $300 Apple Watch. The $10,000 version didn't stand a chance. I get it, much greater cost disparity, but just making a comparison.


A $10,000 Apple Watch and a $300 Apple Watch ostensibly has the exact same hardware and function the exact same, sure. You're just paying for precious metal glam, diamonds, and rhinestones if you choose to buy a $10,000 Apple Watch. Not sure that's even close to being an accurate comparison to the One vs. Live.

The MPC Live has features that make it a far more valuable MPC compared to the One:


  • Built in lithium-ion battery for true portability and mobile music making
  • Full-size pads
  • Phono pre-amp in for sampling a turntable
  • Ability to add a SATA drive (the cost for a 256 GB to 1 TB drive is far cheaper than similar SD Cards, USB sticks)
  • Bluetooth (wireless MIDI controllers)
  • WiFi (easy Ableton Link, easy sync to Splice)
  • More outs
  • More MIDI outs

Whether you feel that's worth $300 USD more over the One is of course dependant on your needs. I just feel some people are devaluing the Live just because the One is the "shiny-new-must-have".

Alas, I fear I'm beating a dead horse here.

#waits_for_charlie
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By Lampdog Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:49 pm
You could have said all that WITHOUT bringing up a name.
You had a decent argument until that moment.
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By EnochLight Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:58 pm
Lampdog wrote:You could have said all that WITHOUT bringing up a name.
You had a decent argument until that moment.


Oh?

I figured the "beating a dead horse" ending would invite a comparison to the Live's production being discontinued, which he seems to have championed the entire thread. It was meant to be tongue in cheek.
By CharlesRandolph Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:15 pm
+10000 but for some odd reason Dylan needs my approval.

Lampdog wrote:You could have said all that WITHOUT bringing up a name.
You had a decent argument until that moment.


Built in lithium-ion battery for true portability and mobile music making
Buy a portable battery pack.


Full-size pads
Learn how to finger drum on any pads. People do it on Force, Alesis SR 16, Linnsturment, Korg KR-55. It's the person not the machine. Also I saw your 3D printing stand, it's good but not made for finger drumming. Also the angle you have it, the pad size doesn't matter. (IMAGE BELOW)

Phono pre-amp in for sampling a turntable
Connect turntable to mixer for better control, lower noise floor, and stronger/cleaner output signal.


Ability to add a SATA drive (the cost for a 256 GB to 1 TB drive is far cheaper than similar SD Cards, USB sticks)

Sure if you buy cheap SATA drives. Which is still a waste because you're not benefiting from SSD speed in standalone anyway. Also now you have to make 3 backup of that 256 GB to 1 TB drive. If you're serious about your music.


Bluetooth (wireless MIDI controllers)
No honest keyboard player uses wireless keyboard. The latency is trash. It also drains the battery.



WiFi (easy Ableton Link, easy sync to Splice)
Good for small data sharing with a network, unfortunately the LIVE and X does not have that function.
It also drains the battery.



More outs
This works if you have an interface or mixer. But that's what exporting stems are for now.


More MIDI outs
This is always a good thing.


It's nice but it's built for pressing buttons not finger drumming. Could be wider so the leg supports, the side the MPC LIVE.
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By TT_Lab Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:22 pm
If I was in the market for new mpc, I'll definitely go for the One. I like the form factor more and smaller footprint, and I don't needs the blows and whistles that the Live has over it. Prefer the dedicated buttons, and to be clicky oldschool type of buttons it's a preference of mine.
So there is people for everything I guess
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By Lampdog Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:28 pm
CharlesRandolph wrote:+10000 but for some odd reason Dylan needs my approval.


I gotta be fair, we didn't need this one either.

Let's just get back to facts.
By Eyalc Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 pm
EnochLight wrote:A $10,000 Apple Watch and a $300 Apple Watch ostensibly has the exact same hardware and function the exact same, sure. You're just paying for precious metal glam, diamonds, and rhinestones if you choose to buy a $10,000 Apple Watch. Not sure that's even close to being an accurate comparison to the One vs. Live.

The MPC Live has features that make it a far more valuable MPC compared to the One:


  • Built in lithium-ion battery for true portability and mobile music making
  • Full-size pads
  • Phono pre-amp in for sampling a turntable
  • Ability to add a SATA drive (the cost for a 256 GB to 1 TB drive is far cheaper than similar SD Cards, USB sticks)
  • Bluetooth (wireless MIDI controllers)
  • WiFi (easy Ableton Link, easy sync to Splice)
  • More outs
  • More MIDI outs

Whether you feel that's worth $300 USD more over the One is of course dependant on your needs. I just feel some people are devaluing the Live just because the One is the "shiny-new-must-have".

Alas, I fear I'm beating a dead horse here.

#waits_for_charlie


Yes, that's what I meant - it wasn't exactly accurate. It was meant to be theoretical. But either way. You do make good points.

I don't mind the Live. Don't mind the One either. My music would be the same with either. I just wish NAMM showed more of where they are heading. Or maybe the One did that, and I just don't get it.
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By EnochLight Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:34 pm
CharlesRandolph wrote:+10000 but for some odd reason Dylan needs my approval.


You seem to be mistaken. No one needs anything from you - certainly not "approval". :lol:

CharlesRandolph wrote:Built in lithium-ion battery for true portability and mobile music making
Buy a portable battery pack.


:Sigh: :WTF:

Or, buy an MPC Live with a built-in battery, since - you know - it's a thing.

CharlesRandolph wrote:Full-size pads
Learn how to finger drum on any pads. People do it on Force, Alesis SR 16, Linnsturment, Korg KR-55. It's the person not the machine.


Many actually prefer the larger pads of a traditional MPC. If you've ever used pad controller with smaller pads, and you think it's just as enjoyable experience to use them as a proper sized pad controller, you're being disingenuous.

CharlesRandolph wrote:Also I saw your 3D printing stand, it's good but not made for finger drumming. Also the angle you have it, the pad size doesn't matter. (IMAGE BELOW)


This is a ridiculous and baseless statement, and also has nothing to do with the Live/One comparison. That said, the stand that I had 3D printed is perfect for finger drumming. I use it regularly and have never had a problem. You're really reaching here, Charlie.

CharlesRandolph wrote:Phono pre-amp in for sampling a turntable
Connect turntable to mixer for better control, lower noise floor, and stronger/cleaner output signal.


Or, buy a Live and not have to worry about extra gear. Additionally, if you've ever brought your Live on the road and wanted to do some record sampling and crate dig, you're missing out. Oh wait - that's right - you don't have an MPC Live. :lol: :smoker:

CharlesRandolph wrote:Ability to add a SATA drive (the cost for a 256 GB to 1 TB drive is far cheaper than similar SD Cards, USB sticks)

Sure if you buy cheap SATA drives. Which is still a waste because you're not benefiting from SSD speed in standalone anyway. Also now you have to make 3 backup of that 256 GB to 1 TB drive. If you're serious about your music.


What are you getting on about? Even a "cheap" SSD is better than a comparable SD Card or USB Stick - both price and performance. And what does backing up your data have to do with anything? Nice strawman, Charlie.

CharlesRandolph wrote:Bluetooth (wireless MIDI controllers)
No really honest keyboard player uses wireless keyboard. The latency is trash. It also drains the battery.


Nonsense. Honest? LMAO :lol: You do realize that there are more uses than just keys for wireless controllers, right? Additionally, laying down pads and strings is perfectly capable over Bluetooth MIDI, latency and all. I mean, if you're an honest keyboard player and know how to play. ;)

CharlesRandolph wrote:WiFi (easy Ableton Link, easy sync to Splice)
Good for small data sharing with a network, unfortunately the LIVE and X does not have that functions.
It also drains the battery.


Huh? The Live [b]does have WiFi, and Ableton Link works perfect over it. And being able to wirelessly sync to Splice (and update your library) is pretty damn useful, unless you're a fan of wires. Have you ever performed with other musicians using Ableton Link to wirelessly sync your gear? It's pretty awesome - I suggest you give it a try. Branch out and learn.

CharlesRandolph wrote:[/b]
More outs
This works if you have an interface or mixer. But that's what exporting stems are for now.


This works if you have a PA and you're performing, and want to utilize more outs.

CharlesRandolph wrote:-More MIDI outs
This is always a good thing.


Finally, we actually agree on something. Stop the press and alert the fam. :lol:

CharlesRandolph wrote:It's nice but it's built for pressing buttons.


Um... what?
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By Lampdog Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:38 pm
Eyalc wrote:I just wish NAMM showed more of where they are heading. Or maybe the One did that, and I just don't get it.

This is me too, I was hoping to see more progress.
I do get what the One is about though, a take on the void that 500 filled back in the day
smaller, cheaper, budget friendly.
By CharlesRandolph Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:42 pm
I understand.:lol: Back to the facts.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Master and Record gain on the back. There's lots of room on the top for it.
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Lampdog wrote:
I gotta be fair, we didn't need this one either.

Let's just get back to facts.