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By el tripps Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:52 pm
how do I sync up these two sequencers, also, I can't even figure out how to enable tracks in protools, only had it two days, but just hitting record isn't working so i wonder how to actually use this setup. need to know soon
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By mesh Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:30 pm
digi MIDI out->mpc MIDI in;
Set mpc's MTC to receive at 30fps
set protools to send MTC at 30fps
make sure that in the midi section of PT you have PT seeing mpc
cant record eh?, tracks are armed with a selected input? be more specific and i will be able to help more. what have you tried?
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By Dr.Foo Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:50 pm
pro tools gets the bozak!!!!!!!
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By mesh Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:02 pm
dude you talk a lot of sh*t and i can't even find a single beat of yours on this forum. maybe you should concentrate on your music instead of jumping into threads just to give your biased opinion. to each his own, man.
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By DOVESKI Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:09 pm
yo el trips,

maybe I can break down my method of recording., cause syncing through the whole song usually leads to problems and can be a hassle.

I do my whole sequence, bridges and all on the MPC. Then like Mesh said I midi up the digi001 and the MPC. Press Shift+9 on the MPC, select MMC and the mid receive channel, usually midi in #2 if your using a controlling keyboard. Go to Pro Tools and under the MIDI menu select send midi machine control, now what I do is solo each MPC track (i dont have 8 outs) arm a track in Pro Tools,set the input, hit the record button, it will start flashing, set the PT tempo to match your beats, set up the grid and hit the spacebar. It should automatically record your 4 bars or whatever you have. Line em up and proceed to freak it.
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By mesh Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:29 pm
way to go in depth doveski, you definitely filled in the gaps that i left out. but check it, one more thing to think about is latency. even on TDM systems you get latency when you print your audio. thats when that grid comes in extra handy. put PT in slip mode and trim up the sample to a recognizable point(like a kick on 1 or a snare on 2 or 4), then put it into grid and lock it down to the actual point it is supposed to be at. usually it is only a few milliseconds but it can make your sh*t sound f'd up. make sense? let me know if not.
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By Dr.Foo Fri Aug 15, 2003 12:07 am
mesh wrote:dude you talk a lot of sh*t and i can't even find a single beat of yours on this forum. maybe you should concentrate on your music instead of jumping into threads just to give your biased opinion. to each his own, man.


pfish? I'm supposed to post my work for you to give me your opinion? what does that have to do with the price of tea in china that I dont?

biased? dog Id bet 100 bux I know more about digidesign stuff then you do and I dont even own any of it. biased? if my opinion is biased yours IS MAD BIASED since you own it or at lest use PT. Think about it for 5 seconds next time b4 you post it.
take your internet beef elsewhere little kid,
yeah sure. Mesh GETS THE BOZAK TWICE.
hey if you wanna battle get on the cut and post it up on Asisphionics.net and we can see who needs to practice their skills.
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By DOVESKI Fri Aug 15, 2003 12:23 am
@mesh

my audio locks up super tight, I've recorded up to 6 tracks at once (MPC, ASR, s950) with no sign of latency on a 800mhz G4 since I only record 2 to 4 bars. And I dont have to mess with any slip to grip mode unless I purposefully want to offset something. I dont have to trim the kick to the 1 because it automatically starts recording on the MPCs 1 (man I wish I could show you a screen shot to explain this) and lines up on the PT's 0:00:00, so everything automatically ends on 0:04:00 if i set the BPM correctly on Pro Tools. Everything lines up perfectly with little to no chopping involved, couple lose ends here and there, but if you set the grid to relative and double click where there appears to be lose ends it will automatically highlight the unecessary audio, then i just delete and I have a perfect 4 bar snare track or 2 bar kick track all rocking exactly like they were on the MPC....damn I make simple things sound complicated. =)
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By mesh Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:05 am
first off, foo, you a little bit sensitive aren't you. dude, dont get your panties all in a bunch about a forum set up to share ideas and techniques. life is too short. I obviously have a bias? whatever, i use anything i can get my hands and dont spend my time worrying about which platform is better than the other, i just make music. chill out.

2nd, thats nice doveski, i actually don't get to track my mpc too often on PT because that is what i use at work, and we are a commercial post house, not a recording studio. same equipment, different jobs. i got digital performer at home. i use PT more for doing sound design and mixing for TV. but every now and then i get to bring up the mpc. but when we make tracks using our pc(PT is run on a mac) we tend to get a little bit of latency between the soft synths on the PC and the mac. its all good though, a shift here and there and everybody is happy. i'd be intereseted to see your set up when tracking, sounds good.
peace.
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By mesh Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:26 pm
oh yeah, foo, i'll take you up on that bet, whatcha got?
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By trupro Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:18 pm
OOOOH, INTERNET FIGHT. just kidding...I wanna hear these beats. What was that obscure site that foo suggested? Do they have a forum so we can vote?
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By trupro Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:14 pm
For real though, 'back to the question at hand'...
I like the way Doveski described the technique, but I personally prefer the one Mesh described. Let me explain a little further for el tripps:

First, you may not have chosen an input on the track(s) you wish to arm. It won't let you record if you don't. Next, if you are using ProTools 6, the info I embellish on may be irrelivant, but give it a go anyway. I don't know: I don't F with PT 6...
OK, do the following: Connect a midi cable from OUT 1 on the 002, to IN B (or 2) on your MPC. (I use the second port there because I have a synth pugged into the first midi in).
First, deal with the MPC. Hold shift+MIDI/SYNC on your MPC to open up the sync window. There you will see two columns: one sync in, one for sync out. Left side is "in" parameters, so do the following:
Change it to IN: B (or whichever port on the MPC you have used for this) then cursor down to type and frame rate. Scroll with the wheel on this field untill you have MTC (MIDI Time Code) and change the frame rate to 30fps (frames per second). Hit main screen to go back to your sequences. Go to an UNUSED sequence and change the bar count to one (1), then make sure the tempo is the same BPM as your song. OK, so now you have a sequence that is 1 BLANK BAR. Now, in song mode, put together whatever you want to lay down. If there alot of changes on most tracks, lay all your sequences. If there are only a only a few changes in your overall song, put only the sequences in song mode that contain variations. You will be arranging in ProTools after this anyway, so don't use sections that are like say, just duplicates of the main sequence with a double snare trick or something; you'll just be wasting hard disk space. OK, next, when your whole song is all good, insert the 1 BAR BLANK SEQUENCE as the FIRST step . I'll explain later, if you don't already know why. Now for the computer...in ProTools, open up the windows column on the top bar. The drop-down menu contains stuff like "show transport", etc. Move the mouse down and click on "Show Session Setup". A window opens with some parameters. Toward the bottom, you will see "MTC to Port". That's gonna select where time code from PT comes out of the computer, so click the circle next to DIGI 002, etc. 30fps should be the default and already selected. Next, on the transport (if it's not showing, use that drop down menu again), you need to be showing the full bar. If it's not, go to Views, and drop to "Transport shows". Make it show everything. Now, you will see, on the transport bar, a little conductor dude icon. Kill that guy, he's a loser. Just click on it so the light goes off. The BPMs next to him are set at 120. Click to highlight and change them to the BPM of the joint you are laying down. NOTE: if you enter decimals, watch out! Say your tempo in the MPC is 95.5 you need to add a ZERO when you enter that into Protools. Type 95.50 or else it will end up as 95.05, which is wrong!
OK, now hit enter, and look at the left area of the transport bar. You will see preroll and postroll. (before we go any further, make sure you're time codes are all set to BARS and BEATS on the top of the screen) In each section of the pre-roll, you must click and enter the right number, so follow the example: type one (1) and hit enter in the leftmost number; that's 1 BAR. This preroll will go by and play that blank bar you inserted in the MPC songmode earlier. This gives a little time to lock the two together, so if you have a really early drum sound or synth note on the first hit, it won't miss it!! Click on the silver PreRoll on the Protools transport bar to activate this. NOW...
Make sure in the top left that you have selected GRID mode.
Now highlight the length of the joint you are laying. Again, if it's just a four bar loop, you should only have: the blank bar for preroll, and four bars worth of sequences in song mode. Or, whatever length you are really gonna lay down. In protools, take the cursor tool to any track edit area, and highlight the TOTAL bar length you are laying down. AND, start at bar two on the highlight. That preroll area will not record data, it's just lockup time. So now, on the transport bar in PT, you will see the following (I'll use a four bar example): Start: 2/1/0 End: 6/1/0 Length: 4/1/0
If I have synth sounds or acoustic recording that will linger over the bar count and hence be cut off by looping, I highlight a 5 bar length on a four bar sequence. Then later, I can cut all but those tracks to a four bar length, and let those 'extras' stay longer, moving and crossfading them later on. But for tight loops, the technique remains simple. OK, Almost done!! In the MPC, MUTE all the track in the sequence you are not laying on a particulatr pass. For instace, say you got 16 tracks of sequencing, and only 8 outputs going to protools. Mute the other 8 in the MPC. You will of course lay the first 8. Go Back, mute the ones you laid, then unmute the ones you didn't, arm new tracks in PT, and so on.
NOW, when you hit play or play/record in protools, the MPC will start playing. IF YOU HAVE A 2000, you need to hit PLAY/START on the MPC first in song mode, and the bottom of the screen on the MPC will display "Waiting for Time Code". If you have a 2000XL, just starting ProTools will trigger the MPC2000XL automatically.

There it is, step by step. If we fing out you have Protools 6.1, SOMEONE MAKE THE CORRECTIONS ON MY INSTRUCTIONS FOR EL TRIPPS.
Happy syncing!!
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By mesh Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:38 am
Holy sh*t you are the explanation MAN!. if anyone ever has a question about this they gotta be directed to this post. that is the in depth explanation of the year. i personally like to leave it a little ambiguous so they have to do a little figuring out themselves, but that was still nice. way to go trupro

By el tripps Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:05 pm
i am using pt 6, anyone know what the differences and corrections are?
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By Dj:A Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:38 am
this is a killer post

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