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By Danoc Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:41 pm
:shock: Holy crap l didn't know this many people entered the challenge. Diiizzaaamm :lol:

This is nice.
By Cockdiesel Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:23 pm
Lol there was one more than last time ....
I can’t wait for this thunderstorm to pass to listen to these on my speakers. You guys did really well this week. Danoc even released his inner cameo...
By CharlesRandolph Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:28 pm
Cockdiesel wrote:Lol there was one more than last time ....
I can’t wait for this thunderstorm to pass to listen to these on my speakers. You guys did really well this week. Danoc even released his inner cameo...


I'm not going to say it. But I know everyone is think it. :lol:
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By NearTao Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:10 am
Bees80 - Frick man… super solid… not sure if you were going for it, but I’m digging the vocoder becoming easier to understand as the song progressed. Really great space for all the instruments, and super simple! As the first one to listen to this absolutely sets the bar for sure man.

Eyalc - Great track… but I am not getting as much electro funk out of the gate. I think it sounds super modern, and would be something that would sit great anywhere in the current decade, but it sounds like way too much is going. Digging the vox though, and the vocals… so damn smooth man! I can’t quite put my finger on it, but maybe it just sounds too clean for the challenge?

Danoc - I’m digging this, I mean man… you hit some ideas that are just dope, and this really sits into the electro funk space well. My biggest complaint is that it just feels too repetitive, but it feels like it has just about the right level of production and polish for the period. Sold me man!

Charles Randolph - I am digging this big time, I’m just not sold that it fits the time period. Seriously though, just some more mixing and I think you might be able to prove me wrong. It just feels like there’s one or two components too many going on. The scratching was a cool and fun element, but it goes on too long, and doesn’t get a chance to come to the front of the track. Actually that’s probably my biggest complaint with the track… too much feels “in the back” and not enough has a moment to shine. The drums are the biggest in your face component… and I was waiting for a drop, break, or anything to change it up to drive the rest of the song.

Cockdiesel - I wanted more out of your track. It feels like a really good start, and just needs some knocking bass that isn’t an 808… then you have the bass drops… I want more of that with some groove… especially when your track ends leaving me freaking hanging!

For me the call was between Bees80 and Danoc… I’m going for Bees80 just because I think the track fits the time period a tiny bit better… Danoc’s feels like something that much more modern. Seriously though, great job for both of you!
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By NearTao Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:14 am
This track has been a bit of a labor of love… haha. I decided to jump into the next challenge for Electro Funk, and was listening to a lot of tracks from the era. Been a lot of discussion again, and I think it was the third page I dropped a number of YouTube videos, most of which are in the right style.

So where to start? Well… I created a track, and then promptly lost it. I was sending an SD card to my brother in law to check some things out, and I forgot to make a backup of the project files… and whoops, I had left the project file on the SD card that I sent him. This set me back quite a bit. I hemmed and hawed quite a bit, but ended up deciding to just restart the track from everything that I had learned.

The first track had the following values:

  1. Keep it to mono synth only
  2. Emulate drum machine sounds
  3. Go vocoder crazy
  4. Very limited effects
The track was pretty good! I ended up recording several takes through some guitar pedals to see if I could add any sound to it. Unfortunately… I also forgot to save the project… *ugh*. So guess what… the only version of the song that I have is the processed tracks, that are a bit muddy. I have uploaded one of the takes, just for comparison. It sounds rough around the edges... but I'm the bozo that didn't save the project.



From loosing the project file, I seriously considered just bailing on the challenge, but figured I should take another stab at it. Through getting things kicked off I had learned a bit about the style, and figured I could give it a passable, if potentially only fair shake.

To work on starting over on the track I figured I’d throw everything away and go fresh. I immediately decided I’d rather go for a more rock drum sound instead of focussing on drum machine style sounds. I felt a bit more connected to the sounds in the genre that used real drums, that was my reasoning, so I went with it.

Next up, I worked on getting an 808 bass line going. This was something that I hadn’t done in the first iteration of the track, as instead I had tried to build out my own bass sound that I thought could compete. Maybe it could have, but the track I posted above you can hear, it is a bit muddy. This new track the 808 cut through a lot better. One thing that helped with the sound was turning off timing correct for almost all of the sounds. It was a bit of a struggle at first to get the drums, keys, and everything to gel, but it gives so much of a better sound. The swing may feel subtle in some ways, but at least for me, it totally works.

From here, I just messed with a few sequences to get some sounds going so I could flip through my Moog Voyager and find some great mono synth sounds. For both tracks, the focus was on keeping the synths monophonic, but in this new track I figured I’d stretch into using analog guitar pedals for effects. This added a lot more variety to the sounds on offer, without really having to do too much. Since I was focussed more the second pass through on being efficient, I really just used the Looper on my AKAI MPC Live mk2, and this gave me plenty of two, four, and eight bar loops that were very workable. On the other hand, I didn’t spend any time on building out key groups or drum kits, so… *shrug* save yourself time now, pay for it later in the future if you want the sound again?

Originally the new track was going to be called Funky Alligator, and was to be instructions for how to make the drink “Funky Alligator”… I figured it was cornball enough for lyrics that it could be fun and catchy, but driving the audio through a vocoder kept crushing it into just unintelligible enough that it wasn’t worth it. I probably needed another hour or two so I could get enough takes to have it be “okay”. Fortunately my brother in law came through with sending me back just enough of the original project that I could at least recover the lyrics. They were practically a drop in replacement, and honestly, still sounded fine by my ears… and just needed some mixing to get it to sit well with the rest of the track.

Conclussions…

Well I’m not totally sure I nailed the electro sound. I feel like I hit the synth sound, but possibly went a bit too far with the number of sounds and some of the guitar effects are a little too much more than I heard on most of the tracks. The vocoder sound is also not really an authentic vocoder, and is instead a PO-35. Does this matter? I’m not sure, it’s in the right ballpark, but I’m not sure it is a home run.

For the next challenge, assuming I jump head first into it, I might take this a step further and intentionally work on two different tracks so I can pull out the best of both worlds again. Honestly, it didn’t feel like as much a waste of time at the end as I would have thought, and really helped me get out of my own head space and consider quite a few factors differently.

All told, this was all put together with an AKAI MPC Live mk2, a Moog Voyager as the king, a PO-35 for vocals, and a mess of Chase Bliss guitar pedals to add effects. I did very light mixing duty in Ableton Live, just enough to track things in and out a bit better, but there aren’t any effects, chopping tricks, or anything else to speak of. This fact is definitely getting me to think that the Akai Force might actually be something I could jump more into for working on tracks if I wanted to go that route for audio work. We shall see.
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By Danoc Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:02 am
:lol: Yo l was trying to get that free vocoder. But l got it a lil bit. I ain't never work with one without the mouth piece. Whew that was harder than making the dam track :lol: But l got it. I tried to use Reason vocoder it was hard ass f**** :shock:
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By Danoc Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:04 am
Cockdiesel wrote:Lol there was one more than last time ....
I can’t wait for this thunderstorm to pass to listen to these on my speakers. You guys did really well this week. Danoc even released his inner cameo...


:lol: sssshhhhsssh watch how you say that. Eyalc will expect me to pop lock with a red jock strap and a flat top. Lmao :lol:
By CharlesRandolph Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:21 am
Thanks you for the feed back and I appreciate everything you said. I definitely layered lots of sounds. :lol: The idea is that every-time the dancer or listener hears it., they continued to hear something new. My goal for this was directed toward the dancers first. Because this is what it sounds like, when DJ would spin Electro Funk.

They never played it straight. DJ's would blend different songs, cut and scratch, throw in phrases etc.
This would cause the dancer circle to react to what they were doing. So yeah, this is definitely more performance based Electro Funk, compared to the other submissions. I started to work on the final mix, to prepare this for a commercial release, with different drum changes and less scratching. :lol: Like I said, I truly appreciate the time you took to write the feedback.


NearTao wrote:Bees80 - Frick man… super solid… not sure if you were going for it, but I’m digging the vocoder becoming easier to understand as the song progressed. Really great space for all the instruments, and super simple! As the first one to listen to this absolutely sets the bar for sure man.

Eyalc - Great track… but I am not getting as much electro funk out of the gate. I think it sounds super modern, and would be something that would sit great anywhere in the current decade, but it sounds like way too much is going. Digging the vox though, and the vocals… so damn smooth man! I can’t quite put my finger on it, but maybe it just sounds too clean for the challenge?

Danoc - I’m digging this, I mean man… you hit some ideas that are just dope, and this really sits into the electro funk space well. My biggest complaint is that it just feels too repetitive, but it feels like it has just about the right level of production and polish for the period. Sold me man!

Charles Randolph - I am digging this big time, I’m just not sold that it fits the time period. Seriously though, just some more mixing and I think you might be able to prove me wrong. It just feels like there’s one or two components too many going on. The scratching was a cool and fun element, but it goes on too long, and doesn’t get a chance to come to the front of the track. Actually that’s probably my biggest complaint with the track… too much feels “in the back” and not enough has a moment to shine. The drums are the biggest in your face component… and I was waiting for a drop, break, or anything to change it up to drive the rest of the song.

Cockdiesel - I wanted more out of your track. It feels like a really good start, and just needs some knocking bass that isn’t an 808… then you have the bass drops… I want more of that with some groove… especially when your track ends leaving me freaking hanging!

For me the call was between Bees80 and Danoc… I’m going for Bees80 just because I think the track fits the time period a tiny bit better… Danoc’s feels like something that much more modern. Seriously though, great job for both of you!
By CharlesRandolph Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:23 am
Danoc wrote::lol: Yo l was trying to get that free vocoder. But l got it a lil bit. I ain't never work with one without the mouth piece. Whew that was harder than making the dam track :lol: But l got it. I tried to use Reason vocoder it was hard ass f**** :shock:


I didn't know you could play keys like that, I'm going to have to hire you for a couple of tracks that I need keys played on. :nod: I need those fast style keys at those quick tempos.
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By Danoc Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:58 am
CharlesRandolph wrote: I didn't know you could play keys like that, I'm going to have to hire you for a couple of tracks that I need keys played on. :nod: I need those fast style keys at those quick tempos.

You said l use one finget lol so l said you can check my vods and see l play keys! So l went in and showed my skills. I thought l would come a lil different bit had fun. I knew the instruments l hand to use cause lm a fan of Funk. But it took me at least 20 takes to comp the one l liked to get those keys.
The blrssed part was getting those guitaes from Omnisphere once that happened l was a go. That was fun.
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By CharlesRandolph Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:14 am
Danoc wrote:You said l use one finget lol so l said you can check my vods and see l play keys! So l went in and showed my skills. I thought l would come a lil different bit had fun. I knew the instruments l hand to use cause lm a fan of Funk.
The blrssed part was getting those guitaes from Omnisphere once that happened l was a go. That was fun.


I need this level of playing, which is close to what you're doing on that track.
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By Danoc Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:24 am
CharlesRandolph wrote:
I need this level of playing, which is close to what you're doing on that track.

All you gotta do is practice, get your fingers right to be able to go from one key to the other and connect with your hearing. I started to pplay keys in 93 l had no choice and l love the piano. Plus l can touch type 55 wpm with 2 errors. It use to be 64 wpm. So that had something to do with it also. Now if l need something complex l play in chops
Im still learning. I have fallin deeply in love with chord progressions though, l can make tgem on the fly and l have never had beat block.
By CharlesRandolph Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:37 am
Danoc wrote:All you gotta do is practice, get your fingers right to be able to go from one key to the other and connect with your hearing. I started to pplay keys in 93 l had no choice and l love the piano. Plus l can touch type 55 wpm with 2 errors. It use to be 64 wpm. So that had something to do with it also. Now if l need something complex l play in chops
Im still learning. I have fallin deeply in love with chord progressions though, l can make tgem on the fly and l have never had beat block.


I can play arpeggios and hack stuff it together, but I prefer to have a pro keyboardist who can play it like you did, with feels and technical prowess. How come you didn't play like that on the Bob Marley interpolation?
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By Danoc Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:48 am
CharlesRandolph wrote:I can play arpeggios and hack stuff it together, but I prefer to have a pro keyboardist who can play it like you did, with feels and technical prowess. How come you didn't play like that on the Bob Marley interpolation?


The Bob joint didn't call for that. I went for that yard feel. 62bpm wouldn't have made no sense going fast. I just went how l knew from being in NYC at the Jamaican yard jams. At 120 bpm and being funk oh hell yeah l had to go there lol l hit a mistake in the guitar and ended up sounding dope haha.
Some times mistakes make hits.