Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By 40Beatz Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:23 pm
The New Generation is HARD to Please. Damned If Akai Does, Damned If Akai Doesn't :lol:

I loaded 2.3 back onto one of my MPCs, Boy! Its a BIG Difference. Akai basically rewrote the Firmware for us!

I should upload the Old Versions to show the Progress Akai has made. That would make the New Generation more Appreciative...i believe.
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By jabberwalky Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:37 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:Try installing MPC Software 1.0 to see just how far this ecosystem has progressed in the past 8 years.


I specifically remember my first interaction with the Live when it came out in stores. I was horribly underwhelmed, and it seemed like you could only create cringey bubblegum pop with it.

I immediately bought an Octatrack the next day. (which was an entirely different disorienting experience)
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By EnochLight Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:56 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:I think it's important to remember that Akai don't owe anyone updates.. The amount of updates you have received in the past 5 or 6 years if you purchased an MPC Live/X (or even Touch) has been pretty amazing.


And 100% free so far!

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

40Beatz wrote:I loaded 2.3 back onto one of my MPCs, Boy! Its a BIG Difference. Akai basically rewrote the Firmware for us!


I can remember picking up an MPC Touch back in the 2.2 days, and as soon as 2.3 dropped (that's when they added the standalone plugins, and a metric crap ton of effects following in 2.4), I was sold on the MPC Live. Returned the Touch and picked up a gen 1 Live almost immediately. I'm now on the Live II and it's still my favorite DAW'less production machine, with the Force falling right behind it. I couldn't imagine going back to 2.3!
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By Ultros Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:17 pm
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LOL... I get all wanty for stuff admitedly but it's cus they're making good things. success! they're evil plans worked. Fish on the line!
By Certified Beatz Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:07 pm
Funny I loaded 2.3 last weekend and make a could of beats missing all the updates since it release.. one thing we all have notice is how slow the OS was .. yes definitely spoiled the old days one or 2 OS upgrades and that it... I guess we can blame JJOS he was releasing bug updates almost weekly back in the day..
By KaoticShock Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:51 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:Basically Akai cannot win.

Also, 2.10.1 was released less than 6 months ago.


Sorry for the rant, Tutor. In my eyes Akai already won in 2017 when the released the current generation of MPCs. The updates are definitely the icing on the cake, not the meat and potatoes. I understand that good things and stability take time, I guess I'm just spoiled from the first few updates coming so quickly and in a fairly predictable time frame.

I'm just anxious and anticipating new features, not that they will change or enhance my workflow, but more out of curiosity, because I never know what they're going to do next. No other box is definitely getting this much attention is very true, the MC-101 has hardly received any recent firmware updates and the Maschine Plus hasn't got a new update since September of last year.

I trust Akai, and I will be happy and mostly satisfied with anything they release at this point, be it firmware or hardware. I'm still really curious if the MPC Key 61 will have some sort of split/layer function for the keyboard and how they would implement the feature into the current gen of MPCs.
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By Lampdog Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:39 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:Try installing MPC Software 1.0 to see just how far this ecosystem has progressed in the past 8 years.

I remember .06x. HORRIBLE.
By Tonyc21 Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:13 pm
I’m super excited about the upcoming MPC Key 61, but I do agree the screen should be larger. I hope they add an hdmi port for viewing on an external monitor. And it would be nice to see a size 37 Key and 49 key option for those wanting a more compact setup.
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By Ultros Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:26 am
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Hey... you mind giving me a hand? I've hurt my hand and can't seem to load my mpc key-61... ok i wanna get it right up to the front. say are you about a size 11?
By HUBA Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:52 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:Basically Akai cannot win. If they rush out a buggy firmware update to meet this suddenly expected 3-6 month release cycle, everyone accuses them of rushing out a poorly tested firmware. If they take their time to ensure the next release is stable, they get accused of dragging their heels.

I think it's important to remember that Akai don't owe anyone updates, they could have chosen the same model as the legacy MPCs (new features only come with a new hardware model, old hardware abandoned). The amount of updates you have received in the past 5 or 6 years if you purchased an MPC Live/X (or even Touch) has been pretty amazing, albeit rarely bug free. I really don't know of any other hardware box that is getting this kind of ongoing attention.

Also, 2.10.1 was released less than 6 months ago.


Agreed. To be fair though, the OS was pretty basic initially. Some would say limited, and that it was in the cards that it would develop substantially over time.

I got mine in 2017 and was pretty stoked about it, mostly because of its potential. I deliberately bought it early, in the hopes of some form of two-way communication between users and Akai, that I'd be able to participate in, about possible added features and which direction the OS should take in general. I personally think Akai could have been more eager to keep a more open attitude towards the user base in this, as, If nothing else, I believe Akai would have benefited from it.

It's off course hard to please everybody. Indeed the OS has come a long way for sure. As others have pointed out, I highly doubt there are many users who would prefer V1.0 today.

The lack of a proper basic mod matrix and the fiddly keygroups thing are the biggest head scratches for me. Especially this long into the process. That said, I'm happy to say I have no regrets whatsoever about purchasing the Live when I did. Same goes for my expectations about the OS developing over time, which I'd argue was a realistic expectation regardless of how things for various reasons used to be in the past. In addition to the fact that digital technology has in fact evolved, what many also seem to forget is that back then OSes used to be more developed and streamlined at the date of release.

About the MPC Key, I might not be very representative but I'll be keeping my Live and purchase the Keyboard as well, no matter which way Akai have decided to damage its true potential and its chances of competing successfully against other workstations. It's a shame off course, but the loss is mostly on them. I'll just be less happy about it than what I ideally would like to be. Less happy is still happy. There are certainly worse things to worry about going on right now. Hopefully Akai wont be losing too much because of their poor judgement and under confident decisions about this product.
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By MPC-Tutor Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:12 pm
HUBA wrote:I deliberately bought it early, in the hopes of some form of two-way communication between users and Akai, that I'd be able to participate in, about possible added features and which direction the OS should take in general. I personally think Akai could have been more eager to keep a more open attitude towards the user base in this, as, If nothing else, I believe Akai would have benefited from it.


There have been various programs involving users. For the initial MPC Ren/Studio release Akai recruited many people from this forum to beta test and generally be involved in shaping some aspects of the software, unfortunately for all the talk only a handful of them actually bothered to stay with the beta program, most logged in a couple of times and lost interest.

There is still an active customer beta testing program with plenty of participants, they widely advertised for interested parties a couple of years ago (I don't think they are looking for new applications at this time).

I know many want a full public beta program, Im not sure that is going to happen any time soon though, I think it would be quite hard to administer to ensure high quality reporting.
By HUBA Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:31 pm
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HUBA wrote:I deliberately bought it early, in the hopes of some form of two-way communication between users and Akai, that I'd be able to participate in, about possible added features and which direction the OS should take in general. I personally think Akai could have been more eager to keep a more open attitude towards the user base in this, as, If nothing else, I believe Akai would have benefited from it.


There have been various programs involving users. For the initial MPC Ren/Studio release Akai recruited many people from this forum to beta test and generally be involved in shaping some aspects of the software, unfortunately for all the talk only a handful of them actually bothered to stay with the beta program, most logged in a couple of times and lost interest.

There is still an active customer beta testing program with plenty of participants, they widely advertised for interested parties a couple of years ago (I don't think they are looking for new applications at this time).

I know many want a full public beta program, Im not sure that is going to happen any time soon though, I think it would be quite hard to administer to ensure high quality reporting.


Yeah I get that. I was thinking more about Akai participating in open discussion on public forums about adding/enhancing features, layout structure etc. What might be possible, not possible, unlikely and so on. Visions for further development of the OS etc. Those kinds of things.

There was some participation from Akai in the beginning but they have removed themselves completely from engaging in these kinds of discussions quite a while ago it seems. Considering the fact that this kind of direct communication between users and manufacturers have been impossible until not many years ago and the potential it brings for perfecting their products, It's disappointing that they don't seem to recognize the benefit of prioritizing resources for this.

I understand that the concept of the happy customer equals profit is for some reason seen as hopelessly old fashioned in modern business philosophy, but the fact that something would please the customer doesn't necessarily mean that the manufacturer couldn't gain from it as well. One would think, when designing a product aimed at a global market where many of the most dedicated and passionate customers are available for input free of charge, that the choice of restricting available brain power to a local bubble would be a bad one when doing, you know, business.

Maybe they're not all about them profitz after all :lol:
By ace_of_dub Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:11 am
This is the competition now at $1500.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKa2FUaIkk

So AKAI needs to step up their game OS wise because musicians aren't going to buy a MPK just because there is the AKAI logo on it.

Anybody would be mad at Roland if Roland left a NOTE OFF bug for more than a year on their device like on the MPC... So sure AKAI doesn't owe people anything, but it's a matter of reputation, and when you screw up, you don't get it back easily...