Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
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By Monotremata Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:02 pm
The fact that certain features are more **** on certain models is kind of odd. The whole point of this ecosystem was standard hardware in all the units, should be the exact same code in all of them, and certain features should be available based on detected hardware or not. Yet some of them have issues where others don't which makes no sense. And to top it off, it was when the Keys support was added that things went way downhill. The Keys should be the exact same hardware as well, an extra 2GB of RAM doesn't, or shouldn't, cause the OS to work differently or require any changes just to accommodate more working space in memory.

Like, just what the hell IS going on there. I consider myself lucky, my OG Live is pretty rock solid, but that hasn't been the case for everybody. Akai bought an awful lot of 'end of life' SoC's to use for their lineup, maybe the hardware had plenty of manufacturing issues during its lifetime, who knows. I've seen ViewSonic swap out plenty of internal components because whatever factory was making them just couldn't out out a stable piece across the board, so we switch suppliers (and then have to test to make sure everything still works the same).
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By Quickstrike2.0 Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:13 pm
kidkeitel wrote:Debating stability of modern mpcs is pointless. Lack of quality control translate to some good ones, some bad ones. Just because you came off with a joint that rarely crashes dont mean all units are stable. Ive had 2 bad Ones and a semi-stable One and an X. More often than not, my asr10 has gone longer than either one without hiccups. My 2000xl and 3000 have gone days without reboots. My x or One aint doin that.

Inmusic wipes their asses with your hard earned greenbacks, and you know it.

Blind brand loyalist get the gas face.


Lol


Yeah, I totally agree!

It's just not productive to keep debating whether the unit is workable or not. It's kind of like driving around in a beat-up old car that's barely holding together, and you keep making excuses for it even though it keeps breaking down and making you late for work.

But wait, if you're a mamas kid (non-professional user), it wouldn't bother you, right? Hold on a minute - if you happen to be someone who spends most of their time at home with their mom and is not a professional user (someone who hoards beats in their bedroom), then you probably wouldn't be bothered by it. ( Akai that lacks responsibility to fix things.) In that case, my suggestion would be to feel free to install those massive subwoofers and take up all the trunk space so you can't fit anything important. (memory constraints.) However, this may end up draining your battery and causing more inconvenience to your shabby car motor. (CPU performance issues) Maybe you don't want to fix it because it has neon lights glowing under the hood. (More interested in fx and plug-ins) :Sigh:
By 40Beatz Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:03 pm
We have to realize...

The concept of Akai Business Practice back in the day was...to create Product(s) with the Ability to stretch the Imagination of the Intended use of each Product Category. ex. Drum Machines, Samplers, Mixers, Synthesizers, etc. In Turn...Akai created Revenue from the Quality of their Products...

Now Akai(InMusic) Concept is to Generate Revenue by Cramming ALL the Product Categories into One Or Two Products to Increase Revenue.
Not so much Quality now, but Quantity!
Customers that Have Music Knowledge, Manual Sonic Creativity, etc...is NOT the Target Audience anymore.

Instant Sounds, Effect Presets, Automatic Sequence Building,...is the type of Revenue Driven Audience Akai is Lookin for!

New Millennium, New Money! sad
By otoc Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:07 pm
40Beatz wrote:Customers that Have Music Knowledge, Manual Sonic Creativity, etc...is NOT the Target Audience anymore.


Folks that I know that fit into your characterization just use a DAW with a MIDI controller. In my small sample size of my network, hired ghost writers for hip hop, pop, etc. + film/TV composers and producers just use a DAW. If they have an MPC or a rack of synths + outboard gear, it's more for personal gratification and not for actual use in their creative process.

I know a guy in the LA hills that has a gorgeous mansion, with multiple cars, etc. He's one of the most skillful and talented composers + producers I know. All he has in his studio is a souped up Mac, an M-Audio MIDI keyboard controller, and giant screens. In a separate office he has an MPC3000 and a Prophet synthesizer as decoration.

InMusic's (and all other hardware developers) target audience are YouTube viewers.
By otoc Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Youtube viewers are also the target audience for a lot of the music made with the devices. Other synth hobbyists. IMHO, music is a lousy career, but a great hobby.


100%

I like to call it a lifestyle rather than a hobby (I know it’s a hobby but lifestyle sounds cooler)

Speaking of which, MPC X is discounted at Amazon to 1799. Hope this means we’re getting the refresh soon. I’m ready to buy.
By B-Wise Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:10 am
chrisroland wrote:the original Akai "concept" went bankrupt. the only reason we even have new MPCs at all is because the assets got bought up on the cheap and this version seems to be working for InMusic

Not only that - even with all the new stuff that's there, you don't have to use most of it (the touch screen is kinda hard to avoid) & any music that was made on older MPC's can still be made on the current models. The older MPC's were more stable but they had less features. Akai need to make the OS more stable but still keep improving what's there & add new features to keep it interesting.

Lastly, I think older MPC-Heads will always be disappointed by judging the Post-2017 MPC's with the same limitations as pre-2017 MPC's...these ain't ya granddaddy MPC's & that's OK. I think these current gen DAW-like MPC's was just a test run for how to make the future models better by seeing what works & how it could've been better implemented (like the whole audio-interface mess - I doubt that Akai would make a new device w/o fixing this).
I don't see how the new MPC's won't be amazing! But for now all we can do keep making fire with what we got & wait & see what Akai does next :popcorn:
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By NearTao Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:41 pm
As an old MPC-Head... I am 95% on board with the new MPC line. Sure, there are a handful of workflow gripes, analog distortion is more fun than digital clipping, older MPCs were more maintainable (until the part supplies became an issue), and yeah they were simpler... but I think a lot of people are looking at the older MPC with some rosey glasses, because let's face it, they were not perfect either.

People like to complain about the 2gb memory limit on the new MPCs, but I don't think these people have any idea how hard it is to make a track with less than 1mb of memory... heck let's be generous, make a track with 32mb of memory. It requires a different way to think and approach samples and sampling when your memory is a limited resource. I suspect a lot of people are just comfortable loading whatever they want, or letting their DAW of choice manage it for them. It's fine if that is your way, but disk streaming doesn't really fix this problem, it just moves the goal post.

The interface on the new MPCs gets a lot of flack as well, especially the touch screen. And yeah, a fair amount of it is deserved... but there is no way that the interface on older MPCs is better, I'll grant anybody that it is frequently simpler or different, heck I *might* believe somebody could argue for some parts being more efficient... but objectively better... mmmm not so sure. Have you ever tried working on a sample with a number pad, or only having a single dial to enter pretty much all data for a sample? It's not terribly fun, and while I still do it on my older gear here from time to time... I'd much rather let the older gear do "what it is better at" which is subjective tonal shaping, and use the new MPC to quickly sample and further manipulate and process the sound. Heck the MPC X has a really well laid out 16 q-links... which for me at least, takes editing samples to a whole new level.

A lot of people get hung up on the "sound" of the older MPCs, and while there are tonal characteristics that come into play, the MPC sounds that most people "know and love" went through a ton of off board gear, much of which added just as much, if not more tone and character to the MPC, as the MPC added. Although it's certainly a fun exercise to hook up an MPC to a huge array of filter banks, compressors, equalizers, and mixing consoles... again, this is for me... I'd much rather have a lot of this moved "in the box" as was done with the new MPC line. Heck I can toss an MPC Live in my backpack and do nearly full production work on a track... I cannot get to this level with older MPCs. They are neither as portable, nor as fully featured.

Many of the older MPCs had little or no effects, so you were usually forced to record the samples treated coming in, treat them on the way out, or go through a lot of resampling hassle to get the sound where you wanted it. Resampling on the older MPCs is *not* like it is in DAWs where it is fast and efficient, allowing you to print sounds off really quickly to cycle through and iterate. No, you have to iterate, decide which things you like and to keep, and which ones to delete so you can make sure you have more room in memory. And it was *so* easy to delete the wrong sample...

Loading and saving on older MPCs was even a hassle. A floppy disk is *not* a good storage medium. They degrade fairly quickly (compared to flash media at least), are slow as dirt, and the drives themselves can break in strange and fun ways. I am very glad to only have a handful of floppies left for some of my devices. You'd think that the Gotek or similar drives might help modernize these older samplers... and they do a tiny bit... but the bus speeds of this older gear can only go so fast... so you're still stuck with *very* slow read/write cycles.

Regardless... I'll still stand by my opinion that the new MPC line has more than enough pros to them that they are likely the better choice for most people. Feel free to want the older MPCs, but just make sure you know what you're getting into. If you're comparing a modern MPC to a DAW and not liking what you'll see, you're going to be in for a rude awakening when you drop a couple $$$ on an MPC 60 or MPC 3000. They are great devices sure, but they are not easy, and are so far removed from a DAW like experience that I'm not sure how many people could stick with it.
By B-Wise Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:38 pm
NearTao wrote:As an old MPC-Head... I am 95% on board with the new MPC line. Sure, there are a handful of workflow gripes, analog distortion is more fun than digital clipping, older MPCs were more maintainable (until the part supplies became an issue), and yeah they were simpler... but I think a lot of people are looking at the older MPC with some rosey glasses, because let's face it, they were not perfect either.

People like to complain about the 2gb memory limit on the new MPCs, but I don't think these people have any idea how hard it is to make a track with less than 1mb of memory... heck let's be generous, make a track with 32mb of memory. It requires a different way to think and approach samples and sampling when your memory is a limited resource. I suspect a lot of people are just comfortable loading whatever they want, or letting their DAW of choice manage it for them. It's fine if that is your way, but disk streaming doesn't really fix this problem, it just moves the goal post.

The interface on the new MPCs gets a lot of flack as well, especially the touch screen. And yeah, a fair amount of it is deserved... but there is no way that the interface on older MPCs is better, I'll grant anybody that it is frequently simpler or different, heck I *might* believe somebody could argue for some parts being more efficient... but objectively better... mmmm not so sure. Have you ever tried working on a sample with a number pad, or only having a single dial to enter pretty much all data for a sample? It's not terribly fun, and while I still do it on my older gear here from time to time... I'd much rather let the older gear do "what it is better at" which is subjective tonal shaping, and use the new MPC to quickly sample and further manipulate and process the sound. Heck the MPC X has a really well laid out 16 q-links... which for me at least, takes editing samples to a whole new level.

A lot of people get hung up on the "sound" of the older MPCs, and while there are tonal characteristics that come into play, the MPC sounds that most people "know and love" went through a ton of off board gear, much of which added just as much, if not more tone and character to the MPC, as the MPC added. Although it's certainly a fun exercise to hook up an MPC to a huge array of filter banks, compressors, equalizers, and mixing consoles... again, this is for me... I'd much rather have a lot of this moved "in the box" as was done with the new MPC line. Heck I can toss an MPC Live in my backpack and do nearly full production work on a track... I cannot get to this level with older MPCs. They are neither as portable, nor as fully featured.

Many of the older MPCs had little or no effects, so you were usually forced to record the samples treated coming in, treat them on the way out, or go through a lot of resampling hassle to get the sound where you wanted it. Resampling on the older MPCs is *not* like it is in DAWs where it is fast and efficient, allowing you to print sounds off really quickly to cycle through and iterate. No, you have to iterate, decide which things you like and to keep, and which ones to delete so you can make sure you have more room in memory. And it was *so* easy to delete the wrong sample...

Loading and saving on older MPCs was even a hassle. A floppy disk is *not* a good storage medium. They degrade fairly quickly (compared to flash media at least), are slow as dirt, and the drives themselves can break in strange and fun ways. I am very glad to only have a handful of floppies left for some of my devices. You'd think that the Gotek or similar drives might help modernize these older samplers... and they do a tiny bit... but the bus speeds of this older gear can only go so fast... so you're still stuck with *very* slow read/write cycles.

Regardless... I'll still stand by my opinion that the new MPC line has more than enough pros to them that they are likely the better choice for most people. Feel free to want the older MPCs, but just make sure you know what you're getting into. If you're comparing a modern MPC to a DAW and not liking what you'll see, you're going to be in for a rude awakening when you drop a couple $$$ on an MPC 60 or MPC 3000. They are great devices sure, but they are not easy, and are so far removed from a DAW like experience that I'm not sure how many people could stick with it.

Well you most definitely wasn't one of the older MPC-Heads I was referring to. That was a lot of MPC hard facts! That rosey glasses thing is too real, plus the fact that some of their favorite producers used them & the memories they have from a time when Hip-Hop music was better & these MPC's were new.

Imagine if the MPC One came out at the same time as 3k, how many people would've still got the 3k? Or think about what kind of music beat makers from the 90's would've made with the One & how different current music would be?

Can we use these better MPC's to make Hip-Hop better than the best of the 90's? or is it blasphemy to even think & ask that?
By HouseWithoutMouse Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:52 pm
People don't complain about the 2gb memory limit because they can't get their own sampled sounds to fit in there. They complain because their huge sound library and plugin presets don't fit there, and there's no disk streaming so everything has to be preloaded into memory (which is dumb as heck). They're only using things that are eagerly being sold, offered and pushed to them and that everyone else is using as well. They're consuming products. Stuff that makes money for companies. Making your own samples doesn't make money to anyone, so why is that even allowed at all...
By B-Wise Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:43 pm
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:People don't complain about the 2gb memory limit because they can't get their own sampled sounds to fit in there. They complain because their huge sound library and plugin presets don't fit there,

What?

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:and there's no disk streaming so everything has to be preloaded into memory (which is dumb as heck).

The Force has disk streaming so maybe for the people who really needs that they should look into getting that - like I did.

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:They're only using things that are eagerly being sold, offered and pushed to them and that everyone else is using as well. They're consuming products. Stuff that makes money for companies

None of this makes sense.
What business don't try to eagerly sell it's products?
What else are "consumers" gonna do besides buy stuff that they want but don't want or can't make their own?
Should everybody make their own gear?
What you got against consumers buying stuff from companies?
Should consumers steal their MPC's?
Should Akai make MPC's for free?

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Making your own samples doesn't make money to anyone, so why is that even allowed at all...

What? :hmmm:
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By MPC-Tutor Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:55 pm
B-Wise wrote:
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Making your own samples doesn't make money to anyone, so why is that even allowed at all...

What? :hmmm:


I believe he's possibly predicting a time in the future when all content within the MPC has to be purchased from the 'MENU > inMusic Sounds Store', and the sampler itself will no longer be included. Plugin presets and ready-made kits & instruments only, etc.
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By Lampdog Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:10 pm
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Making your own samples doesn't make money to anyone, so why is that even allowed at all...


It’s the return of the housewithoutamo….. nah, no wait, your kidding, he didn’t just say, what I think he did, did he?