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I'm not complaining about the RAM size by the way, but the "when I was yooooor age" crap.

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:I'm not complaining about the RAM size by the way, but the "when I was yooooor age" crap.

Not when I was your age..... more like try to be creative.. why do u need to load example a 500mb stem? .. now multi-sampling okay I get that one .. I think we need to just except what we have and forcus on bug fixes and making the OS solid.. what your asking for you won't pay for when the price jumps to 3k then your will complain the price is to high...

250 MB stems become 500 MB when Akai loads it. That's not the problem though, the problem is, why the heck do they load the whole track into RAM. That's brain-dead. While advertising "audio tracks" to customers of today.

Here's some 1990s technology that has yet to find its way to the current MPC line https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/ne ... ampler-v15

I owned gigasampler yes I do agree tho the problem then we didn't have enough ram or cpu power.. good old DVD days

I get what you say about the large multisampled programs. Fabric xl tends to fill the memory quickly if you load piano instruments. But I always treat the machine as what it was made to be, a sampler. So my principle is to always flatten my bars when I feel that they are complete.

I think what I'm trying to say is, 2 gigs should be nice and good for a standalone machine even for producing modern stuff, with multisamples and plugins etc. Problems come from the lack of disk streaming. All sensible DAW and sampler products have had disk streaming for decades now. Who in their right mind tries to do "audio tracks" without disk streaming, that's an absurd idea. It was absurd in the 90s and it is absurd today. "We do audio tracks, but we're not streaming them off the disk, we load them all in RAM." YOU WHAT??? Or what kind of a genius does large piano and orchestral libraries without disk streaming. Hello? The LARGE amount of RAM available was the only reason why it was even possible to try such dumb things.

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:I think what I'm trying to say is, 2 gigs should be nice and good for a standalone machine even for producing modern stuff, with multisamples and plugins etc. Problems come from the lack of disk streaming. All sensible DAW and sampler products have had disk streaming for decades now. Who in their right mind tries to do "audio tracks" without disk streaming, that's an absurd idea. It was absurd in the 90s and it is absurd today. "We do audio tracks, but we're not streaming them off the disk, we load them all in RAM." YOU WHAT??? Or what kind of a genius does large piano and orchestral libraries without disk streaming. Hello? The LARGE amount of RAM available was the only reason why it was even possible to try such dumb things.

I can't wrap my head around the lack of streaming other than the fact that Air has not yet implemented it even in their VSTs.

Disk Streaming on the MPC Line is Equivalent to having 4x4 in a Nissan Sentra. Of Course it can be implemented with AWD Transmission Transfer Gearing, but it isn't Logical. There's Models Available that offer 4 Wheel Drive on Demand.

Same with Akai! There's A Model That offers Disk Streaming....The Akai Force. From a Business Revenue Standpoint....why cut the legs of Potential Akai Force Revenue?

InMusic has a Model for EVERY Feature Wishlist. You can only Cram so much Sh*t in one Model before it Implodes lol

Certified Beatz wrote:For all complaining about memory in there MPC.. you won't be happy with 4gb or 64gb..

Maybe this. But also how the MPC is advertised as a DAW replacement. So people coming from a DAW (like me back then) expect that it works like a DAW. Now I had to learn that and adapted to sampling most of my stuff at some point and not do a mixdown of complete tracks. Which has it's own very different way of working with new upsides and new downsides.
I still think the upgrade to 4 or more GB RAM would be logical step given that it should be a cheap one and it makes the MPC more future proof for all the dumb ideas inMusic might have with the device.

Certified Beatz wrote:just admit you suck at making music

Maybe that, too. But I think that most of Akai's/inMusic's advertisement is just false and then people get bummed out. See all the comparisons videos " MPC/Force vs <your daw here>" for example when they shouldn't even be compared. This hypes people like it hyped me. But not everybody likes to adopt a new workflow.

Might be naive to believe in the inMusic MPC hype about a "DAW-replacement" but then this "we are so metal we had to make music on punch cards in 8 ft of snow naked and you boons just don't cut the cheese" does not help either and drives more people away than it lures into a new workflow. And it just makes me feel sorry for those outdated people suffering from future shock. Love your experience but stay open minded to what the young folks want. Because that's the future. We oldies will be scrapped soon enough.

I was surprised that disk streaming wasn't utilised in the multisampled plugins, for example studio strings takes up 31% ram per instance, just not practical for the 2GB models. I assume though that is is ultimately a CPU problem, which is why they made disk streaming automatic only for audio tracks in the Force. There you can stream individual samples from an XPM file from within the project window, but you have to manually switch it on for each file individually, they clearly don't want to encourage it.

But upgrading ram to 4GB is really a bit of a sticking plaster, it doesn't really address the inherent limitations for people wanting to run lots of audio tracks, nor the 8 plugin limit, which I assume is ultimately CPU related.

MPC-Tutor wrote:I was surprised that disk streaming wasn't utilised in the multisampled plugins, for example studio strings takes up 31% ram per instance, just not practical for the 2GB models. I assume though that is is ultimately a CPU problem, which is why they made disk streaming automatic only for audio tracks in the Force. There you can stream individual samples from an XPM file from within the project window, but you have to manually switch it on for each file individually, they clearly don't want to encourage it.

But upgrading ram to 4GB is really a bit of a sticking plaster, it doesn't really address the inherent limitations for people wanting to run lots of audio tracks, nor the 8 plugin limit, which I assume is ultimately CPU related.

To determine if 4gb matter anyone have Key61 with studio strings? If so what % of ram per instance when loading?.. also I understand all points there will aways be I need more..

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Well people are not constructing songs from samples at all. They're trying to load full multitrack stem sets (see other threads) and use the huge multisampled libraries that are being marketed down their throats by the same company who doesn't give them disk streaming to be able to realistically cope with the libraries.

Well what else is to be expected without even a basic mod matrix to construct anything half decent with? With such a limited set of features for sound sculpting people are realistically kinda forced to take the ready made libraries with pretty, polished sounds route instead of rolling their own.

I mean let's be honest here. Sure, used strictly as a drum machine, lots of effects to choose from and 4 of them independently available for each pad is nice. It really is. For keygroups however, with things like key follow, negative EG phase, normal LFO behavior etc, etc missing, you'll be hitting that wall pretty hard and fast in terms of doing anything creative that isn't shaped more by the limitations of the OS than the users intent and abilities.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying BTW, I think you hit the nail on the head with all these posts.

Certified Beatz wrote:

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:I'm not complaining about the RAM size by the way, but the "when I was yooooor age" crap.

Not when I was your age..... more like try to be creative.. why do u need to load example a 500mb stem?

See above

Certified Beatz wrote:To determine if 4gb matter anyone have Key61 with studio strings? If so what % of ram per instance when loading?.. also I understand all points there will aways be I need more..

I would guess that with the MPC Live having approx 1GB spare RAM, 31% means the plugin is using around 300MB. The MPC Key will have around 3GB spare, so the strings will use up around 10% per instance?

Cool, looks like we should all be fine with 32MB of RAM, and 1 GB of storage MPCs since people made hits with far less, right?

And a 700 MHz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of RAM and 20 GB of storage is all you should ever need for you home PC, after all people made movies with far less

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I'm only being tongue-in-cheek, of course. And while the 2 GB hasn't been much of an issue for me, it would have been nice to have a little bit more headroom.