Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By mattskillz1000 Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:09 am
i know people say the vs. answers etc. are out there but where? i've searched for hours and haven't gotten the answers i'd like so please be nice.

Can the MPC 4000 do everything that the 2000XL can? that's it. as a 1000 owner who just seen all the cool as timestech, zoning features of the 2000XL but am not cool with 32MB I am planning to go for the gusto.

Fellow MPCers - please help a brotha make an informative decision. btw - hate using cpu's for music. like to stay as analog as i can knowing an mpc really ain't all that analog.

If the 4000 is a 2000XL/1000 +++ then i am going to do it.

thanks to all who respond with useful info.
By renegadebliss Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:32 pm
mattskillz1000 wrote:
If the 4000 is a 2000XL/1000 +++ then i am going to do it.




Hi, The 4000 is a 2000XL/1000 +++++++ and then some.


In terms for features and specs, the MPC 4000 has pretty much everything
the 2000xl/1000 has plus some. If you have a specifid methodology
on the MPC 2000XL/1000 then those particular steps may be different,
or some people say the 2000xl has a different velocity curve then the 4000.


What features and specs are you looking for?


Dave
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By mattskillz1000 Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:35 pm
thanks for the reply. mainly the zoning and timestretch/slicing that is not available on the 1000 that i have. it would be nice to load up my old akai cd's as well. what is all this about the mpc's sounding different??? i guess people are reffering to the sampling??? sequencing should all be the same right?

By renegadebliss Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:07 am
mattskillz1000 wrote:thanks for the reply. mainly the zoning and timestretch/slicing that is not available on the 1000 that i have. it would be nice to load up my old akai cd's as well. what is all this about the mpc's sounding different??? i guess people are reffering to the sampling??? sequencing should all be the same right?


Hi, I'm probably not the best person to discuss to the sound as my first
MPC was the 4000, but my musical partner has a 2000XL, and in setting
up for our live show, we were figuring out who would be playing which sample, and when I loaded the exact same sample as his (from his 2000XL
program), the 2 did actually sound different. He thought the 2000XL sounded more analog like and I thought the 4000 sounded clearer. They both sounded good but different. I didn't think that it wasn't anything that I couldn't do on the 4000 by uisng Q-link resample features and adding some
EQ and filters. But maybe somebody with both can comment on that aspect or somebody who used to have a 2000XL.

As for Zoning, the MPC beats the 60, 1000,2000,2000XL, & 3000 hands down. The main reason that I say this , is due to the "Program Modulation" window that is available on the 4000 that comes from the Z4/Z8 sample engine.
The Program Modulation matrix gives you a 64 point grid to setup
Program Modulation and Zone cross fading is one of them. So you can
set up Midi Sync'd LFO's, Envelope's' or any of the other 30plus Sources
that can be used to control the Zone's.


Slicing is nice on the 4000 compare to the 2000XL, as the 4000 not only
has the slice option so that you can split a loop into from 1 - 32 pads , but also has a create sequence feature (ala Recycle), so that it will create a sequence and place it on sequence and track of your choice, so that
it will play the loop automatically. So you can speed or slow down the
BPM and it the loop will stay in sync. You can also use a feature to switch
around the regions, so the resulting slice ,will be adjusted to your settings.

I usually use slice, but if I need to move a 90BPM loop to 134 or something then I'll Timestretch it. I think the Timestretching is pretty similar to the
2000XL's. SOmething like 32 different algorythms depending if you are using vocals, percussion, rock, and such. Not sure if 2000XL has the
BPM timestretch or not, but you can give the 2000XL, the current
number of beats in the loop, and then tell it the BPM that you want it to be.
Has worked fine with me. Others indicate computer software that does this is better. I don't use the computer much so can't comment, but i can
usually get what I want from 1 of the included algorhythms


One of the other nice things about the 4000 compared to the 1000 or 2000xl is the abiltiy to modulate things in real time. You have realtime
control of the filter, pitch, lfo, envelopes, or any of the other internal parameters via Q-Link or Midi CC. Couple that with Q-Link sequence (a 6 x 16 step step sequencer to control these real time modulations). It definitely helps bring this out of a sample player to a sample processor type of machine.

Sequencing pretty much the same , except that do to the 960 PPQ
you can get a bit more realistic feal by moving to 960.



Hope that details a bit more.


Dave
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By mattskillz1000 Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:40 pm
thanks so much - that really helps. 2 more questions - does the 4000 have the auto bpm detect like the 2000xl and is it worth it to wait for this new 4000 that is coming out or am i better off buying one now?

going to go to a local music store that has all 3 machines set-up and check em out for myself. problem is none of these guys have the answer i need to make the right decision. thanks again for your time.

By Scott Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:38 am
mattskillz1000 wrote:thanks so much - that really helps. 2 more questions - does the 4000 have the auto bpm detect like the 2000xl and is it worth it to wait for this new 4000 that is coming out or am i better off buying one now?

going to go to a local music store that has all 3 machines set-up and check em out for myself. problem is none of these guys have the answer i need to make the right decision. thanks again for your time.


get a 2000xl and then a 100$ rack sampler on ebay, (maye akai s1000, s2000)
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By ikke Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:10 am
mattskillz1000 wrote:thanks so much - that really helps. 2 more questions - does the 4000 have the auto bpm detect like the 2000xl and is it worth it to wait for this new 4000 that is coming out or am i better off buying one now?

going to go to a local music store that has all 3 machines set-up and check em out for myself. problem is none of these guys have the answer i need to make the right decision. thanks again for your time.


Yeah Its drama.. A salesman is most probably the worst person to actually sell you a piece of equipment as they know sh*t :lol:

Whats with that new 4k? Seen any specs or pics? Is that why our models go for less these days?

By renegadebliss Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:31 pm
ikke wrote:[

Whats with that new 4k? Seen any specs or pics? Is that why our models go for less these days?


What the heck are you talking about. The only rumor's that i've heard are about the
MPC2500. Are you mixing it up with that?

By MAD T Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:12 pm
there is no new mpc 4000
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By ikke Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:39 pm
i dunno man.. Mattskillz was talking bout it..
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By mattskillz1000 Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:44 pm
i heard there was a new 4k coming out but my source could mos def be wrong. Maybe he was talking bout the 2500. I was almost certain he was talkin' 4k though and about the 2000XL - MCD. Anyway what is the 2500 about?

By renegadebliss Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:31 am
mattskillz1000 wrote:i heard there was a new 4k coming out but my source could mos def be wrong. Maybe he was talking bout the 2500. I was almost certain he was talkin' 4k though and about the 2000XL - MCD. Anyway what is the 2500 about?



Rumors that I hear, (very unconfirmed) is a 2000 based off the 1000 framework, still at the 44.1/16bit area.....

But that same rumors been there for about 1 1/2 years, and it just popped up again... so we'll see :)