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akaimpclive2 wrote:You can only record audio in a newly created clip, the length of which you must set before pressing record. There is no possibility of adding corrections.

Correct, but - again - what you stated was false. You stated:

Longer recordings are only possible in the arranger, where again, operation and possible corrections are very difficult. .

Not sure what you mean by "operation" in the Arranger. If by corrections you mean audio editing, I totally agree it's limited. Just like it's limited on the MPC.

Can you record an entire audiobook without editing and corrections?

Errr... an "audiobook"? I mean - if you want to - sure - set your Clip bars length to 999 and slow your tempo down and I suppose you can record "War and Peace" and "A Farewell to Arms" if that's your bag.

In mpc you can easily do overdubs, in clips you can't.

You sure about that? Question: are you talking about on the current stable (read: public) Force OS, or are you talking about the latest beta?

In mpc you can also extend the length of the sequence after recording a fragment. You can also edit, cut, rearrange, for example after a slip of the tongue or after removing a deep breath. Try doing it in akai force clips

See above.

akaimpclive2 wrote:In mpc you can easily do overdubs, in clips you can't. In mpc you can also extend the length of the sequence after recording a fragment. You can also edit, cut, rearrange, for example after a slip of the tongue or after removing a deep breath. Try doing it in akai force clips

Hold your finger on the square on the screen in question and click "clip edit" its all in there.. you can even stay on the screen while capturing the clip. Adjust length, loop, all that. Clip editor is the same as audio track edit on MPC. However on forcd clips can be loops of all different sizes those are not limited to a set length at all but do default to a set length chosen in the settings. The arranger on the force is supposed to be used for *plotting*. Hit shift record and play a scene or two then go look at the arranger. You dont do your programming in the arranger on force that's goofy as heck and a complete misunderstanding of its work flow. Fill clips, fill scenes, then fill the arranger with the scenes.

after using the force software and then trying the mpc version of 3.xx im like *PUKES IN MOUTH* arranger? lol it doesnt even make sense on the mpc at all because there is no way to manage a scene or capture scenes into the arranger. I wish they'd give us a clip matrix rather than this goofy ass main screen now.

Ultros wrote:

B-Wise wrote: You're really gonna want to steal it after it gets updated.

I wanna steal it now lol. gimme *snaps pincers* I think the force will be the more memorable beat machine in a decade or so. Theres a zillion mpc's floating around now but not so many force units which actually do all that mpc shit + some. If we are destined to be pushed to that work flow id rather have a device that it suits well.

Would you be interested in joint ownership with the devil of my soul? I can cut you in for 49% for your force lol.

LOL, Good to know someone is paying attention. Akai made a bold move making the Force. It was made to be the MPC of the future, but when it came out the concept was too much for MPC heads & the bad roll out with missing features & other problems didn't help. I even thought it was just a dumb-downed MPC for DJs, limited to only 8 tracks with 8 clips each. Boy was I wrong. It is better designed to run MPC3, plus it has the Clip-matrix & more advanced macros. I hope the new update comes out in May, but Akai never give a release date.

I'll pass on that deal. NOT TODAY SATAN!

Ultros wrote:

akaimpclive2 wrote:In mpc you can easily do overdubs, in clips you can't. In mpc you can also extend the length of the sequence after recording a fragment. You can also edit, cut, rearrange, for example after a slip of the tongue or after removing a deep breath. Try doing it in akai force clips

Hold your finger on the square on the screen in question and click "clip edit" its all in there.. you can even stay on the screen while capturing the clip. Adjust length, loop, all that. Clip editor is the same as audio track edit on MPC. However on forcd clips can be loops of all different sizes those are not limited to a set length at all but do default to a set length chosen in the settings. The arranger on the force is supposed to be used for *plotting*. Hit shift record and play a scene or two then go look at the arranger. You dont do your programming in the arranger on force that's goofy as heck and a complete misunderstanding of its work flow. Fill clips, fill scenes, then fill the arranger with the scenes.

after using the force software and then trying the mpc version of 3.xx im like *PUKES IN MOUTH* arranger? lol it doesnt even make sense on the mpc at all because there is no way to manage a scene or capture scenes into the arranger. I wish they'd give us a clip matrix rather than this goofy ass main screen now.

Thank you & Enoch for saving me time from dealing with this dude & yes, MPC3 arranger needs a clip matrix. Someone leaked that the Force is getting clip or scene follow. If so, then that's amazing.

EnochLight wrote:

akaimpclive2 wrote:You can only record audio in a newly created clip, the length of which you must set before pressing record. There is no possibility of adding corrections.

Correct, but - again - what you stated was false. You stated:

Longer recordings are only possible in the arranger, where again, operation and possible corrections are very difficult. .

Not sure what you mean by "operation" in the Arranger. If by corrections you mean audio editing, I totally agree it's limited. Just like it's limited on the MPC.

Can you record an entire audiobook without editing and corrections?

Errr... an "audiobook"? I mean - if you want to - sure - set your Clip bars length to 999 and slow your tempo down and I suppose you can record "War and Peace" and "A Farewell to Arms" if that's your bag.

In mpc you can easily do overdubs, in clips you can't.

You sure about that? Question: are you talking about on the current stable (read: public) Force OS, or are you talking about the latest beta?

In mpc you can also extend the length of the sequence after recording a fragment. You can also edit, cut, rearrange, for example after a slip of the tongue or after removing a deep breath. Try doing it in akai force clips

See above.

Maybe I expressed myself incorrectly with the length. The point is that if I realize during recording that the number of bars I set is too small, I won't be able to set a longer clip and add what's missing in the audio, because there is no second take on the same clip.


Recording audio directly in the arranger (recording to arranger function) allows for multiple takes or over-recordings, but it is difficult because it is difficult to navigate a very long file. In mpc, you can record in sequence, for example, one chapter. Can you imagine navigating, for example, a two-hour audiobook?


I don't know if it's a bug on my hardware or a standard in Force, but I see that someone else had a similar problem.
viewtopic.php?p=1842907



I don't know, maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I haven't figured out how to do it in akai force, I gave up and recorded an audiobook on mpc. This is what it looks like for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2940PxanP3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1amt9ycfWE

It sounds like just using the sampler would be easier & just add it to an audio track afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

B-Wise wrote:It sounds like just using the sampler would be easier & just add it to an audio track afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

It’s hard to discern whether he’s frustrated that he can’t overdub audio like in the Looper or if he just wants to record the same snippet over and over again with different takes.

EnochLight wrote:

B-Wise wrote:It sounds like just using the sampler would be easier & just add it to an audio track afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

It’s hard to discern whether he’s frustrated that he can’t overdub audio like in the Looper or if he just wants to record the same snippet over and over again with different takes.

Yeah, I sense that, but what's different about editing MPC audio tracks vs the Force? I think he needs to RTM. Can you also, set clips to no set length & just stop it when your done. A Force clip can range from 24 ticks up to 12,600 bars & you have 999 of them per track.

B-Wise wrote:It sounds like just using the sampler would be easier & just add it to an audio track afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

Using a sampler will not make it so that, for example, in the event of a slip of the tongue, you will be able to easily stop the recording, rewind 5 seconds and continue recording.

I see that discussions here are often pointless, because simply pointing out that force is not ideal and there are situations where mpc works better causes some people to start acting like someone hurt their mother.

akaimpclive2 wrote:I see that discussions here are often pointless, because simply pointing out that force is not ideal and there are situations where mpc works better causes some people to start acting like someone hurt their mother.

It's not that at all. It's that you apparently don't understand how the Force works and were making incorrect statements about it. Audio recording/disk streaming and audio editing is literally the exact same on Force as it is on the MPC if you want it to be. You're aware that disk streaming (read: unlimited audio recording takes) came to the MPC... from the Force, right? And in regards to your YouTube video examples, you can record (and edit!) the exact same way in Force OS if you choose. It has Grid mode. Always has.

No one is taking offense to your posts. We're just trying to give you the correct information.

EnochLight wrote:

akaimpclive2 wrote:I see that discussions here are often pointless, because simply pointing out that force is not ideal and there are situations where mpc works better causes some people to start acting like someone hurt their mother.

It's not that at all. It's that you apparently don't understand how the Force works and were making incorrect statements about it. Audio recording/disk streaming and audio editing is literally the exact same on Force as it is on the MPC if you want it to be. You're aware that disk streaming (read: unlimited audio recording takes) came to the MPC... from the Force, right? And in regards to your YouTube video examples, you can record (and edit!) the exact same way in Force OS if you choose. It has Grid mode. Always has.

No one is taking offense to your posts. We're just trying to give you the correct information.

Quick questions:
Does overdub work on the audio track in akai force clips? (not in the looper limited to 16 bars and not in the arranger which can take hours to record an audiobook)
Are there situations where overdub audio is useful?

akaimpclive2 wrote:

B-Wise wrote:It sounds like just using the sampler would be easier & just add it to an audio track afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

Using a sampler will not make it so that, for example, in the event of a slip of the tongue, you will be able to easily stop the recording, rewind 5 seconds and continue recording.

I see that discussions here are often pointless, because simply pointing out that force is not ideal and there are situations where mpc works better causes some people to start acting like someone hurt their mother.

Can you stop, rewind & record on the MPC?

Bro chill out. Don't shit on the site pointing less when you started off with wrong info & we helped you with corrections. Your **** up attitude, while being wrong & not acknowledging your error is pointless.

There are a rew sampling features the MPC can do that the Force can't, but what you was talking about did involve those or at least make it clear what feature you were talking about.

This is the same site with the author of the MPC Bible & most threads are just users asking for help & getting it. This site & discussion is far from pointless... but don't come here talking BS about the Force or MPC. They both have enough real issues, so no need to make false statements.

We get too heated here sometimes... I think we all suffer from really shitty social skills. Incredible music skills, hands on stuff no problem but when we open our mouths... (me included fellas im not free of sin..)

The force thing isnt a big deal so he had some different ideas maybe he hasnt ever been hands on with one or messed with a custom rom and force on mpc hardware.

Point was the force is the best hardware for the 3.xx platform hands down. MPC is now just a crippled force that the software doesn't fit.

this thread outlived it's usefulness several pages ago, lol. surprised it hadn't been locked already

Some guy on Instagram (I know, I know...) wrote that there is a fcc filing for a retro version of the keys 37. Anybody here knows more? Couldnt find it myself but perhaps someone over here did..