grid edit

NiBL wrote:

bridgealantee wrote:What the point of having an mpc if your not going to program the beat with the pads. Fruity Loops is 100 dollars an mpc is 2000 bucks, thats one expensive grid editor.

Fruity Loops sounds fruity. Just my opinion. Besides, I use my MPC as a main sequencer that controls my Triton and rack units. And recording external audio, like my strings, is nearly impossible in Fruity Loops. It's not a good program. It's a cheap alternative for those that can't afford the real stuff.

Also, what do you mean " if you're not gonna program the beat with the pads"? You use the pads in grid edit mode. You just don't have to play it in real time. What difference does it make if you play the pads in real time and I play the pads step by step??? We get the same results, and in the end, the same exact sound.

So isnstead of clicking the mouse step by step your pressing a pad. Big dif. I'm thinking about sample based ish though. I do understand why you wouldnt want to program strings or other keyboard sounds with fruity.

Software has its place...but hardware is where its at (at least as long as we are willing to spend thousands of dollars so these companies can turn a profit).

its all a matter of prefrence,simma down now

On the real though I cant stand fruity and I need my MPC. I dont take my pads forgranted

I think if you have learned only from using a specific type of device(i.e. fruity loops, MPC, Keyboards, ect....)and then mastered that device that it really doesn't matter what you use. I know this sounds cliche ish but it is really the truth.

My opinion on most software programs are more based on its sound and sounds than on its actual performance. I'm not a big fan of the patches and instruments on most of those programs. But I do know beat makers who have excelled at using those types of devices. I am even proficient and very talented at using these programs but would much prefer to use Hardware than Software.

I actually used fruity before I got my mp. And when I got it my game steped up big time.

A cool thing about the grid edit, and I've mentioned this before, you can turn the big wheel or use the cursor keys and change the position of where it's playing WHILE it's playing. Now it's not really smooth sounding but I see some potential for some creative accidents there. I wonder what it'll do with a continuous track or whatever. I would also like this thing get smooth with an OS update...along with live sample start/end editing with sliders.

So can u review a beat or a sequence that you played?

lordtalib wrote:So can u review a beat or a sequence that you played?

Of course, in two ways you can see it. Step sequence or grid edit you can see your sequence. I think grid edit is great for editing drum tracks quickly.

udenjoe wrote:I think grid edit is great for editing drum tracks quickly.

Yes, it's a great addition to the MPC. But it still doesn't quite reach the intuitive work flow of the step sequencer on the Electribes for example, which is one hot feature of these boxes over the MPCs. Those of you who ever used an Electribe know what i mean. On the MPC you still have to hold erase and the pad while the sequence runs across the note to delete it, which i find quite complicated. Question is if it can be realized in another way without having to add another row of buttons...

Still it's a great and clear way of watching your sequence, without all the cluttered data around like in step edit



Peace,
Stilo.

Don't know anything about an Electribe (out of my price range) but there is nothing complicated about using the MPC 2500 and the grid functions...especially holding down an erase button and a pad.....

jahrome wrote:Don't know anything about an Electribe (out of my price range)

Out of your price range? On the lower end, huh?

The Electribes have a dedicated row of buttons for the steps in your sequences. So you can just select a sample, and insert and especially delete notes in advance while the sequence is playing. Great for live performing. Much like the "Track Mute" function on the MPC, just that this does only allow you to mute instruments, and not add more events to your sequence.

On the MPC's Grid Edit you still have to hold down two buttons and wait until the sequence runs over the event. That's what i meant, but as i said, i don't complain at all, the MPCs have a lot of features that other drumboxes can't beat, and Grid Edit just makes it more powerful.




Stilo.

It would be nice if the MPC would allow you to place or delete notes using the pads. Pad 1 could be the first place on the left, and you could only edit what you see on the screen.

NiBL wrote:

Fist Full of Dollaz wrote:

NiBL wrote:Grid Edit was THE main reason I spent a few extra bucks to get the 2500 over the 2000XL. It was worth the money.

Sorry, don't have any pictures though.

I'm not very familiar with using grid edit but I have toyed with it a lil bit but nothing too deep

I was just wondering what is it exactly about grid edit that yall love so much

I usually play all my stuff in, I'm just wonderin if its something I'm missing out on by not using it

Yeah, it's just much easier to accurately place snares and kicks where they belong. I suck at playing live because I have no timing. I program my drums completely using Grid Edit, and have gotten really good at it (after using the Motif's grid mode for years). Plus, you can easily lay down rapid fire snare rolls and those fast dirty south hi hats without having to slow down the tempo to do it right. Once you get familiar with where beats go in the grid without having to hear it, you can create a drum beat in less time than it takes you all to play it live, if you're having to record several times because you keep messing up. In Grid Edit, there is no messing up if you know where to put everything.

why would you drop 2 grand on something and not use it for what i should guess 99.1 percent of all its users use it for?!?! (im talking about tapping your notes live. if i wanted grid edit i would use fruity loops.

djobserv wrote:
why would you drop 2 grand on something and not use it for what i should guess 99.1 percent of all its users use it for?!?! (im talking about tapping your notes live. if i wanted grid edit i would use fruity loops.

so the mpc is all about tapping it in live?then why drop 2 grand when you can get a mpd/trigger finger?i'm new to beat making & just learning the mpc plus my timing sucks so why not make use of step edit?i'm sure its more than tapping those 16 pads live