whats the deal

also keep in mind that sometimes you might sample something thats 4/4 time sig, but, you only get half a bar or 3 quarters of a bar...............when you use detect tempo and set the beats to 4, the bpm will be wrong because its detecting 4 beats on something that is less than 4 beats so the tempo will apear slower.

you have to adjust the beats according to how long the sample is too, so that the tempo is right, and everything hits on beat.

another good trick is to tap tempo, just to see if the bpm detect is in the right ball park. Tap where the snares will hit, that way even if you have something less than a bar, you still know the right tempo to work with.

I'm not sure about other MPCs but on the 2500 if you simply edit the sample so it loops perfectly, then hit chop, then hit do it, then hit convert, select Patched Phrase then it will convert the sample to PP. At this point you can assign the PP sample to any pad and it will play with the tempo of whatever sequence is playing.

with the 2500 I trim the loop no matter how long so it loops perfect. then you gotta chop it equally and set the exact amount of beats.
for example for a 1 bar sequence in the 4/4 its its 4 beats and for 2 bars 8 etc etc. then once set click DO IT. Then click convert and it will show you an original tempo. you can then click cancel and set your sequence tempo so it matches what the mpc showed you or you can press DO IT and convert to patched phrase if you want to speed it up/ slow it down

sorry about 1st bit didnt read the 2nd page b4 replyin

emjay wrote:I'm not sure about other MPCs but on the 2500 if you simply edit the sample so it loops perfectly, then hit chop, then hit do it, then hit convert, select Patched Phrase then it will convert the sample to PP. At this point you can assign the PP sample to any pad and it will play with the tempo of whatever sequence is playing.

I didn't try Patched phrase yet, but isn't all that it does to trigger the multiple chops according to the set tempo? So if the tempo isn't quite near the original phrases tempo, the chops will overlap/cut off each other? Not to think of a phrase with a continuous melody...


Stilo.

Stilo wrote:
I didn't try Patched phrase yet, but isn't all that it does to trigger the multiple chops according to the set tempo? So if the tempo isn't quite near the original phrases tempo, the chops will overlap/cut off each other? Not to think of a phrase with a continuous melody...


Stilo.

I think you should turn on your MPC and use this function right now to see what it can/cannot do.

jahrome wrote:I think you should turn on your MPC and use this function right now to see what it can/cannot do.

Yes daddy

All I wanted to point out is that Patched Phrase ain't something like a real-time timestretch. It doesn't work equally well on all samples. But it's quite powerful on pure drumloops which have silence between the single hits, I agree.



Stilo.

Real-time timestretch is a cute gimmick that no MPC has. I can think of plenty things that I want in an MPC..and that's not one.

Patched phrase is not something that I use/would use..but it works pretty good with increasing the tempo of the phrase..and adequate results for decreasing the tempo. Non-realtime timestretch is nice for what it does and is great in most applications.

Back to the realtime timestretch..it is now incorporated into most software DAWs now and do a great job with this function. However, for what I do/do not do...I haven't found one moment that it was essential to have.

jahrome wrote:Real-time timestretch is a cute gimmick that no MPC has.

Ho Ho!! I'd like to see that printed on the Akaipro web site!!

In the last few months I have been working solely with samples (was using sound modules previously), and the BPM match on the MPC2000xl is a beautiful thing! From my usage it is pretty on point. The main thing to remember is cutting your sample so that it loops, and then setting up the beat counter accurately.

I'm on this board because I have really been thinking about getting the 2500 for the PC compatibility, standard FX/8-outs, and grid editing, but after doing some browsing I think I am going to stick with the 2000xl a bit longer and let the 2500 mature a bit.

Here's something I do when my sample is shorter than a bar, or in the middle/end of a bar.

1.) RECORD your sample way early and end it way late ensuring that you have the complete bar(s) that contain your sample
2.) Go to TRIM, and set the START point at the beginning of the 1st beat before your sample (this may include something you don't want)
3.) Set the END point completely after the 4th beat of the sample (again even if it includes something you don't want).
4.) Make sure your SAMPLE loops well.
5.) TRIM the sample.
6.) Go to BPM MATCH and change the tempo of the new sample to your sequences tempo (don't forget to set the beats correctly!)
6.) Go back to TRIM on the new sample and remove the parts you don't want!

Now your sample is the correct tempo! The key to this is to listen to the underlying drums/rhythm of the sample to be able to count the beats/bars. I hope this helps someone.

Here's something I do when my sample is shorter than a bar, or in the middle/end of a bar.

1.) RECORD your sample way early and end it way late ensuring that you have the complete bar(s) that contain your sample
2.) Go to TRIM, and set the START point at the beginning of the 1st beat before your sample (this may include something you don't want)
3.) Set the END point completely after the 4th beat of the sample (again even if it includes something you don't want).
4.) Make sure your SAMPLE loops well.
5.) TRIM the sample.
6.) Go to BPM MATCH and change the tempo of the new sample to your sequences tempo (don't forget to set the beats correctly!)
6.) Go back to TRIM on the new sample and remove the parts you don't want!

Now your sample is the correct tempo! The key to this is to listen to the underlying drums/rhythm of the sample to be able to count the beats/bars. I hope this helps someone.[/quote]


Co-sign this is how i did it on the 2Kxl when i need it..

Windy_City_Hawk wrote:
Here's something I do when my sample is shorter than a bar, or in the middle/end of a bar.

1.) RECORD your sample way early and end it way late ensuring that you have the complete bar(s) that contain your sample
2.) Go to TRIM, and set the START point at the beginning of the 1st beat before your sample (this may include something you don't want)
3.) Set the END point completely after the 4th beat of the sample (again even if it includes something you don't want).
4.) Make sure your SAMPLE loops well.
5.) TRIM the sample.
6.) Go to BPM MATCH and change the tempo of the new sample to your sequences tempo (don't forget to set the beats correctly!)
6.) Go back to TRIM on the new sample and remove the parts you don't want!

Now your sample is the correct tempo! The key to this is to listen to the underlying drums/rhythm of the sample to be able to count the beats/bars. I hope this helps someone.

Co-sign this is how i did it on the 2Kxl when i need it..