1000 timing sloppyness proven

Yes its quantized. With only a few parts playing they sound dead on the beat.

As I unmute more and more tracks it goes from bad to worse.

this sounds seriously weird.

1. r your drums are trimmed?
2. what swing setting are u using?
3. and what timing setting r u using?
4. how many tracks on one sequence at a time r u using?

again - please post the project file online so we can see this for ourselves

Mr I3rown wrote:this sounds seriously weird.

1. r your drums are trimmed?
2. what swing setting are u using?
3. and what timing setting r u using?
4. how many tracks on one sequence at a time r u using?

If you read my other posts you'd realize these questions have no point or I have already answered them

Antonym wrote:again - please post the project file online so we can see this for ourselves

I'm not going to post my project files. The track in question is done and will be relased on Beatport.com as well as vinyl and other mp3 shops through the label Seven Limited Records in about 1 week so if anyone wants to hear he final result you can there. Either that or check out my myspace page around the same time.

This problem is easy to test if you just copy some tracks on top of each other and listen.

Nym, I know you say your stuff is dense but I listened to your album and I don't think you have as much going on as I do, could be wrong but I think thats why you don't notice it.

One last time guys: If I load the same exact samples into an S5000 and trigger them using the same exact track data that was driving the internal MPC version of the sequence the timing gets better. Thats all that needs to be said.

when you complete your song can you tell the difference ?
can anyone else tell?

why dont you post your finished work so we can have a listen ?

God Damn there are some stupid bastards in this thread. Raise your hand if you are a signed recording artist. Okay then, just one. (Medway, enjoyed hearing you play records the other night in columbia sc.) The timing on the mpc is garbage. Ebay that puppy. Pick up an emu command station if you want a solid hardware sequencer, an rs7000 if you need a built in sampler.

my1k- timing makes for big problems at the mixdown stage. flamming transients, phasing, etc.

Antonym, stfu. If you knew anything about house music you would think "hey this is medway, the producer." He's not about to give you any of the components of his tunes seeing as it belongs to the label he is signed to. And incidently, your stuff is very dense- if by dense you mean poorly mixed and muddled.

Threads like this make me sad for Akai as a company, this board, and jokers that think the mpc1000 is the last word in music production.

wow, you're a ornery real son of a GUN, aren't you, why don't you take a zoloft and drink some chamomile. calm down.

i don't know anything about house music, and no, i didn't know that medway is a producer. i don't doubt he knows his stuff, but it seems that the poor guy has you hanging from his nuts...that'd piss me right off. anyway, i wanted to see his mix to see if i could analyse the problem, and why i don't encounter it. i have absolutely no interest in ever releasing a house song, or in copying another artist's work. i'm secure enough in my music. but if he doesn't want to let me see, that's cool.

last word? what about affordability? what about those of us who are doing fine and getting good feedback?

all i have been trying to do is figure out what is going on here, twist. calm the **** down, you're presenting yourself as a real dumbass.

twist wrote:And incidently, your stuff is very dense- if by dense you mean poorly mixed and muddled.

oh snap

So i guess the trick is to use the internal sampler for only a few tracks?

that defeats the whole point of this unit. bring back Roger Linn.

twist wrote:God Damn there are some stupid bastards in this thread. Raise your hand if you are a signed recording artist. Okay then, just one. (Medway, enjoyed hearing you play records the other night in columbia sc.) The timing on the mpc is garbage. Ebay that puppy. Pick up an emu command station if you want a solid hardware sequencer, an rs7000 if you need a built in sampler.

my1k- timing makes for big problems at the mixdown stage. flamming transients, phasing, etc.

Antonym, stfu. If you knew anything about house music you would think "hey this is medway, the producer." He's not about to give you any of the components of his tunes seeing as it belongs to the label he is signed to. And incidently, your stuff is very dense- if by dense you mean poorly mixed and muddled.

Threads like this make me sad for Akai as a company, this board, and jokers that think the mpc1000 is the last word in music production.

Whats ure F**kin problem...

If Medway is serious about the timing of his work, he shouldnt have purchased the 1k in the first place. The CPU in that machine is fairly weak IMO. It gets the job done though, and some get great results.

The 4000 is next level, its Intel CPU makes the seqeuncer move a little faster and its timing is superlative...period.

I have no issues with the sound from any of the mpcs, as i work around that and never really use an mpc for its sound.

BTW i would never touch an EMU, have no respect for them...they are nothing but a cheap consumer brand now.

And whos saying the MPC 1000 is the last word in music production???

SO, i think its best that U now STFU and go back to your little Creative / Emu world.

@Twist: Calm down - what's with the personal attacks?

@Antonym: I managed to re-create phasing effects as detailed in an earlier post in this thread. It's pretty simple to do. Just set up two tracks that play back the same sample on the same ticks and set it looping. Sooner or later (probably sooner in my experience) you'll hear something funny. I just used a snare from the factory Nuskool_kit on the quarter notes in tracks 1 and 2 of a sequence, and off it went. For the most part it sounded fine, but every now and again the snares will trigger slightly out of time and sound phased, which shows that the sample playback is a few samples out between the two tracks.

@earwolf: I'm sure for some that it does defeat the point of the 1K, but for many of us, size, portability, price, workflow or others are the point.

rs7000

complete POS.

medway wrote: Yes these examples are rough as this is a loop I started a while ago so you don't hear some of the fine tuning I've done.

That does not excuse the sloppyness though. A beat should sound tight regardless. That same loop programmed with a softsynth sampler would not exhibit any of these problems.

Not being funny, but do you see the 'contradiction' here. On one hand ure saying the mpc should not be sloppy, and on the other you have fined tuned and improved the timing problem.

Seriously, production has too many variables to find a specific fault. Like i said before, the 1000 has its limitations (like any hw/sw), but after listening to your demo clips through my monitors, i know exactly where ure going wrong.

FWIW i have produced quite a few mainstream dance tracks, so im no stranger to house.