1k's 100,000 notes compared to 2kXL's 300,000

what does this mean exactly? can the mpc support only this amount per flash card, sequence or what? how hard would it be to take up all those notes? i intend to make music that is extremely "busy" and thick with notes and just noticed the difference and needed to ask.

abunchofsounds wrote:what does this mean exactly? can the mpc support only this amount per flash card, sequence or what? how hard would it be to take up all those notes? i intend to make music that is extremely "busy" and thick with notes and just noticed the difference and needed to ask.

It's not per flash card.

Imagine tappin your pad 100,000 times. That's what it is. You'll have a VERY hard time making a song using up ALL 100,000 notes.

2kxl with the 300,000, well let's just say I've never known ANYONE to use up ALL 300,000 notes for a song.

If you can use up all the note data then more power to you man.

basicly it doesnt mean a thing but numbers.

See this thread:

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=7925


"Imagine tappin your pad 100,000 times. That's what it is. You'll have a VERY hard time making a song using up ALL 100,000 notes. "

It is'nt that simple. One note requires two midi *events*, note on - note off. However, the sequencer capacity is stated in the manual as "Maximum events: 100,000 notes", which could mean 200,000 events as well as 50,000 notes. It's not clear unfortunately. But in all it's plenty for hiphop...

DoncaMatic wrote:But in all it's plenty for hiphop...

Very true.

I think we should start worying about this limit (100,000), only when we excede it. Until then, just forget about it. Why wory in advance, if it will never happen ?

True

"Why wory in advance, if it will never happen ?"

Circular reasoning.

It's interesting, on internet forums about products, there are always those who will defend and even oppose obvious limitations to extreme lenghts. Instead of simply admitting the limitations are there but that they still stand by their choice to use the product, it's like *any* critique of the product is taken as a personal attack by these people.

A man is not the sum of his purchases.

"I think we should start worying about this limit (100,000), only when we excede it."

Likewise, what mpc1000 users - we - have in common is this product, the interface, the certain ways of making music it offers. And a love of music, hopefully. It is not exclusive to Northern America and hiphop.

People using it in styles that are more *technically* demanding may well find the sequencer capacity a bit on the shy side. Given the price of ram, the other features and capability of the mpc1000 (128 mb sample ram for example, usb com, cf storage, resampling) it is surprising that akai did not put in more sequencer ram. I can only speculate that this is due to market strategy, it is not a technical or a component cost issue anyway.

100,000 notes is (i think) what my roland mc50 had, which is plenty (even if you're throwing in control changes and other crap)...having said that...it'd be nice to have a 'thin out' function to reduce dense CC info.

btw...has anyone found a way to simply erase measures in a track without having to select individual steps in 'step edit' (and without deleting the same measures in every other track) ?

and finally...has anyone noticed that the mpc sometimes won't delete notes in 'step edit' when there's a large number of events selected (usually works after a 2nd attempt, though) ?

"I can only speculate that this is due to market strategy, it is not a technical or a component cost issue anyway."

"Why don't you buy this 2004 BMW 567? I know it only goes 60 MPH, but it is 3k cheaper than the 2000 year 456 model that goes 180 MPH."

I really do not see that flying. The reduced capacity is enough to shy some people away from the MPC1000. I cannot imagine Akai voluntarily giving up sales.

I think Akai's strategy was more along the lines of making something a little bit cheaper and more limited as to get those who are sitting on the fence as to whether they are going to buy an MPC or not. Like myself. I am a newbie and decided to take the plunge and get some equipment because the 1000 was more in my price range, and the only extras I would need to buy is more RAM. (Actually at the moment I don't need it even though I did buy it.) And now that they have these new people buying their product Akai is hoping that we'll get addicted to it but frustrated with it's limitations and go up the chain and eventually get something more expensive with more feat. It's a drug dealer type mentality...it's just a good business strategy. Just a way of growing people up into their line by putting out a model that is more financially accessible. Like a My First Sony.

Case in point: There are a lot of people just in this forum alone, myself included, that are now seriously thinking of getting a 2000xl, or 4000 because we want Mo', Mo', Mo'.

Why doesn't everybody go to "LOAD", view SEQ, and find your largest sequence (check size= KB). Post what you got, and maybe we'll see how close anyone is to to the 500KB limit (~100,000 events).

I've got things broken down to small length beats (4 bars or so), so my largest is 16KB...lots of CC events (I do some LFO stuff over MIDI).

DoncaMatic wrote:"Why wory in advance, if it will never happen ?"

Circular reasoning.

It's interesting, on internet forums about products, there are always those who will defend and even oppose obvious limitations to extreme lenghts. Instead of simply admitting the limitations are there but that they still stand by their choice to use the product, it's like *any* critique of the product is taken as a personal attack by these people.

A man is not the sum of his purchases.

"I think we should start worying about this limit (100,000), only when we excede it."

Likewise, what mpc1000 users - we - have in common is this product, the interface, the certain ways of making music it offers. And a love of music, hopefully. It is not exclusive to Northern America and hiphop.

People using it in styles that are more *technically* demanding may well find the sequencer capacity a bit on the shy side. Given the price of ram, the other features and capability of the mpc1000 (128 mb sample ram for example, usb com, cf storage, resampling) it is surprising that akai did not put in more sequencer ram. I can only speculate that this is due to market strategy, it is not a technical or a component cost issue anyway.

I see you wrote alot....but you haven’t really said anything besides bitching about my point of view.

"I see you wrote alot....but you haven?t really said anything besides bitching about my point of view."

We all have points of view. I think the world needs less defensive sectarian thinking and more critically, creatively and cooperatively thinking individuals. My opinion on the mpc1k is that it is a mighty musical instrument and production buddy, despite a few technically weird decisions on Akai's part. The sequencer capacity of the mpc 1k is one of those. Almost anyone can work around it with pretty basic midi/audio skills. I also think one can expect more of a product like this *today*, given the development in music and cost of components. Progress. If you're interested, read my posts to the thread I mentioned above.

DoncaMatic wrote:"I see you wrote alot....but you haven?t really said anything besides bitching about my point of view."

We all have points of view. I think the world needs less defensive sectarian thinking and more critically, creatively and cooperatively thinking individuals. My opinion on the mpc1k is that it is a mighty musical instrument and production buddy, despite a few technically weird decisions on Akai's part. The sequencer capacity of the mpc 1k is one of those. Almost anyone can work around it with pretty basic midi/audio skills. I also think one can expect more of a product like this *today*, given the development in music and cost of components. Progress. If you're interested, read my posts to the thread I mentioned above.

I totally agree with what you just wrote, but on the other hand, I feel that a lot of individuals are getting lost in the technical aspect of instruments, and are forgetting about the rest. I mean, at some point, people have to stop thinking about the specs of the equipment, and just use it. I know few of those who own very expensive instruments, and they don’t make any fat beats. I know others, who own only mpc1000, midi keyboard, and a computer, and they make dope tracks. So, making music is more about creativity and the creative use of what you own, rather then trying to get the best equipment possible.

Also, I’m not trying to be a defensive thinker. I’m not defending Akai for downgrading from 300,000 to 100,000. I guess I’m just tired of reading about people complaining about 100,000, if they haven’t even got close to 50,000. Yes, there will be few who will get to 100,000, but it will not happen often. And once they reach that limit, they will always have a possibility of selling their MPC1000 and purchasing MPC2000/3000. Then they will be able to proudly say: “the MPC1000 was limiting my creativity; I needed something with better specs”.

I hope that now you understand better what I meant in my first post.