This video killed many myths!

What's the deal BeatBangers?

I've read and heard many debates on which MPC is best, is the MV any good and so on! It all comes down to the individual and the needs of the user. I'm not trying to argue or make a man switch religions...but this video did kill many of the myths that I've been reading!

You be the judge!

http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc ... erview.flv

I dont see 8 outs on the mv...is that back plate an expansion slot for the outs?
I like how it comes with vintage drum kits and effect...but i really dont need an all in one.

overkill. i rather use the sp-404.

yeah the slot is for expansion to 8 outs. Already git that on the 2500. MV has more RAM capacity(512MB), built in hard drive and CD drive already installed. Git a MV and play wit it for 14 days and then return it and git a 2500 and play wit it. Then decide which one you like best for your setup and workflow. I like the MV's workflow and included features (I'd rather have 8 outs than a VGA), but the sound and sequencer of the 2500 can't be fuked wit, especially for hot, punchy flat response. The MPC sounds better.

The MPC sounds better

Prophacee> You say the mpc sounds better, even if you use the exact same samples in both machines and dont use the built in sounds in the mv, the mpc still sounds better? I like 'the sound' of mpc's, but i would assume that a MV with more mixing and mastering possibilites would sound better if not the same. But this isnt the case or...?

lmao at this dude just hitting the pads randomly

i doubt the mpc sounds better. I think the myth of "mpc sound" is all in people's heads. seems like the 4000 is still a better deal.

A video by Roland deading the myths

The MV8800 is a re-packaged MV8000. Its pretty much the same thing with a colored screen and new paint job. Oh..and Roland added more sounds on the hard drive (less than a CD full). I honestly believe anyone that has never used an MPC and looking for an all in one music production tool should purchase an MV.

My MPC 2500 accomplished everything I need it to efficiently so the current MV will not replace it. However..I am curious to see/hear what Akai is cooking up with the new MPC..if the rumors are true.

jahrome wrote:The MV8800 is a re-packaged MV8000.

word to that. give a small appearance change, cheaply add a couple unecessary(imo) things and give it the illusion of having more value.

Gruik wrote:

The MPC sounds better

IMO - All samplers have a signature sound but there is nothing audibly stellar coming from the 2500 analog outs in terms of quality. It's noisy as a result of the new ownership deciding the higher quality and more expensive DACs and ADCs from past units ( S-5/6000) wasn't warranted. This is why, in comparison , the 2500 is considerably more noisy and far less pristine. OTOH my 4000 goes to the other extreme in an attempt to impress by specs.


As far as the new MV , aside from the obvious cosmetic changes there are some nice upgrades to the OS. The new export options are really nice. But like the Roland rep said," It's extension of the MV-8000". It's gonna be a good while before the current 8800 is removed from the line up. I speculate that a complete rebuild won't happen until the 8000/8800 architecture is exhausted.

moyphee wrote:
IMO - All samplers have a signature sound but there is nothing audibly stellar coming from the 2500 analog outs in terms of quality. It's noisy as a result of the new ownership deciding the higher quality and more expensive DACs and ADCs from past units ( S-5/6000) wasn't warranted. This is why, in comparison , the 2500 is considerably more noisy and far less pristine. OTOH my 4000 goes to the other extreme in an attempt to impress by specs.

The MPC 2500 is noisy compaired to what? Older MPCs? Roland Fantom or XV series synths? Yamaha synths? I can only speak for what I use..but the MPC 2500 AD/DA converters are equal to or quieter than all of the above....using quality cables of course.

I was comparing it to converters in the S-5000 and 6000 because at this time audio quality was paramount and top quality 16bit converters were deployed. In fact it was with the 5000/6000 that Akai dumped thier own proprietary format in favor of straight WAVs to improve sound quality. I also ( to be fair) have considered that at the time the engineers had no form factor or other restraints. I just wished that the quality in that area didn't change.

I personally prefer a sampler to deliver accurately rather than add in any of it's own artifacts. When ripping vynil or CDs I guess it doesn't matter, but when you have large grands, strings , and drums the difference is anything but subtle. I state this because at one time or another we all will need an instrument to sound accurate and not bear a samplers signature. If I want grit (distortion) , warmth (harmonic coloration) or personality( distortion, harmonic coloration, awkward processing) I'd rather add it myself than to have it permanently implanted by default.

Loading any of the Miroslav libraries shows the substantial difference in the quality of the converters. I have an S-6000 and access to a 2500 I wouldn't think of playing my strings or pianos through the 2500.

I realize that expressive playing and beatmaking are two different arts as well as a difference in sampler power - so this purely based on audible quality and not any type of creative attempt.

* * Kurzweil also took this approach and the K2x series is often used as converter by users.

can you record vocals into it? like raps?