Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

Lol and I was so optimistic posting functionality/spec lists for the 4000xl, 4500, and 5000 years ago. Sad sh!t when the '08 "flagship", can't fu@k with the 2001 flagship. It's understandable when comp/Corp release underspecc'd lame entry level products, with lots of bugs still in em.

But all that^, as a flagship?
Suicide.

I wonder if there's any finger pointing going on 'bout now? Like previously mentioned, you can't skimp on something in the lab and not expect it to come back and haunt you.

And as of thus far, this seems to be the case with the development of the 5k.

Teknokeyz wrote:I hope they do fix at least most of this stuff in the next OS update. i really think they need that preview button on the synth and pretty much everyhing he said so yea... I know its a new system but he said even the first 4K didnt have this many problems. Well, im still getting one... and I knew the MPK was a good controller.

And im pullin that 9-6 now just for this one thing but i don think im gonna feel burnt.

If Just Blaze actually wrote that the MPC 4000 didn't have this many problems when it was released..then he is a liar or didn't actually have an MPC 4000 when it was released. I did. And the MPC 4000 was unusable with the first two OS updates.

But I am not defending Akai/Numark on this. They (as well as Roland) need to seriously take a look at their product line and release OS updates immediately.

dabmeister wrote:I wonder if there's any finger pointing going on 'bout now?

"It's all JJ's fault!"

-- Akai Professional final press release

I felt the same way about assigning samples on my 2500 when I had it. real discouraging process.


good post S Ence

Askia Shaheed wrote:

Teknokeyz wrote:I hope they do fix at least most of this stuff in the next OS update. i really think they need that preview button on the synth and pretty much everyhing he said so yea... I know its a new system but he said even the first 4K didnt have this many problems. Well, im still getting one... and I knew the MPK was a good controller.

And im pullin that 9-6 now just for this one thing but i don think im gonna feel burnt.

If Just Blaze actually wrote that the MPC 4000 didn't have this many problems when it was released..then he is a liar or didn't actually have an MPC 4000 when it was released. I did. And the MPC 4000 was unusable with the first two OS updates.

But I am not defending Akai/Numark on this. They (as well as Roland) need to seriously take a look at their product line and release OS updates immediately.

Just Blaze wrote:This is coming from someone who was one of the SOLE CHAMPIONS of the 4000 when everyone ran out and bought them and started returning them because they just didn’t understand the machine. It was an all new deisgn and they wouldn’t be able to pick it up and run like they did when they might have gone from the 60 to the 3000 to the 2000 and 2000xl. It was a new beast entirely and it had a bit of a learning curve, but once you got past that, there was almost nothing you couldn’t make it do. It had one or two bugs in it, but they were fairly quickly rectified, and once they were addressed, you really couldn’t find much fault with the machine. If you couldn’t use it, it was because you really didn’t want to, not because the machine was at fault.

Thats pretty much wat hes stating...

elektrik_muz wrote:

dabmeister wrote:I wonder if there's any finger pointing going on 'bout now?

"It's all JJ's fault!"

-- Akai Professional final press release

JJ... The NUAKAI SUPERMAN

ONE wrote:Did you at least get it for free since this site and your work gives Akai MUCH promo, and takes care of a lot of the technical support that they don't provide?

Nope, I never got it for free - I actually bought it maxed-out from VST and had it shipped over to the UK as even with import duty it still worked out quite a bit cheaper. I have bought every MPC that I own, and have never received any discounts beyond standard customer haggling.

I can however see how people would assume that we'd get bombarded with freebies (with us running three MPC-dedicated web sites, 35,000 strong MPC community, etc), but to date I've never got a single freebie from any MPC-related company. Not that I am asking - it's not really my thing, actively scrounging for freebies (of course, I'm not going to turn away a freebie if offered, but aint no one offering these days...).

Teknokeyz wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:

Teknokeyz wrote:I hope they do fix at least most of this stuff in the next OS update. i really think they need that preview button on the synth and pretty much everyhing he said so yea... I know its a new system but he said even the first 4K didnt have this many problems. Well, im still getting one... and I knew the MPK was a good controller.

And im pullin that 9-6 now just for this one thing but i don think im gonna feel burnt.

If Just Blaze actually wrote that the MPC 4000 didn't have this many problems when it was released..then he is a liar or didn't actually have an MPC 4000 when it was released. I did. And the MPC 4000 was unusable with the first two OS updates.

But I am not defending Akai/Numark on this. They (as well as Roland) need to seriously take a look at their product line and release OS updates immediately.

Just Blaze wrote:This is coming from someone who was one of the SOLE CHAMPIONS of the 4000 when everyone ran out and bought them and started returning them because they just didn’t understand the machine. It was an all new deisgn and they wouldn’t be able to pick it up and run like they did when they might have gone from the 60 to the 3000 to the 2000 and 2000xl. It was a new beast entirely and it had a bit of a learning curve, but once you got past that, there was almost nothing you couldn’t make it do. It had one or two bugs in it, but they were fairly quickly rectified, and once they were addressed, you really couldn’t find much fault with the machine. If you couldn’t use it, it was because you really didn’t want to, not because the machine was at fault.

Thats pretty much wat hes stating...

No..what he stated was that people were complaining because of a learning curve. My MPC 4000 crashed so many times...and that had nothing to do with a learning curve. It had advertised features that never made it to an OS update. So I was one of the ones that got rid of my MPC 4000 early in the game because I was happy with my MPC 3000 and didn't want to wait for several more OS updates. I wrote about this same topic in another thread. I had eBay buyers saying that there were going to take me to court for selling them faulty products. Fast forward to 2008...Just Blase appears to be happy with his MPC 4000 although I've read about him saying he used software more than his MPC 4000....

Now..with this thread and the one Tutor just wrote.....all the naysayers that had disappeared are back again. I just hope they don't flood all the threads with hate mail for something they don't even own.....

The point JB is getting at is. If you made a flagship already, the way to go is to improve what the flagship already does. Not take 5 steps back. yeah the 4000 had bugs but now they are fixed. so moving forward you would keep all the features the 4000 had, 2000xl had, 3000, and so on. Why have a brand new buggy machine? that doesnt make any sense!

YOU MUST LERR ER ERN - KRS

I read the rant and I have to agree but I aint mad because I know that the last new mpc i will ever buy is the one i already own 2500.

Remember, the 5000 was originally suppose to be called the 3500, and that name would justifiably fit the machine a lot better. The 4000 is a TRUE sampler with the Z8 engine, and it's also the only MPC that isn't just a phrase sampler. The 500/1000/2500 just have a few more editing tricks, but they are still nothing more than a classic 2000 on steroids. For me, that's more than enough. I like my 2500!
I tried the 5000 out a few months ago. Maybe it was the pads not being properly broken in, but it wasn't responding fast enough for me. Overall, I can't say the machine was horrible, but I also only tested it in the store; to get it home would be a different story. It all goes to show, never be the first to buy anything. Why pay $2400.00 to be a beta tester.

It would be tight if Just Blaze stuck to his word and Akai hit him up to make the next MPC with Just Blaze's help...

Please do no PM me about this post. I got a couple of them so far. This is from JB's Blog not my words. I simply copied and pasted it, and put it in the environment forum. I am not in the market for a new mpc, nor do I care about getting my hands on a 5000.

Thanks
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Just Blaze said the same things I and everyone with some common sense been saying. Good Read.