Recording Synth Automation

has anyone being able to record synth automation? That is, has anyone being able to record knob movements on the MPC5000's synth?

I had an mpc2500 and it could record extrmeley well the external knob twists of a synthesizer connected via midi. But the internal synth on the MPC5000 does not seem to record knob movements, or at least I have not being able to do it yet. To me this is retarded, this should work and HAS to work.

the fact that you can record external synths knob movements but not the internal synth's knob movements is an oxymoron.

ritec wrote:has anyone being able to record synth automation? That is, has anyone being able to record knob movements on the MPC5000's synth?

I had an mpc2500 and it could record extrmeley well the external knob twists of a synthesizer connected via midi. But the internal synth on the MPC5000 does not seem to record knob movements, or at least I have not being able to do it yet. To me this is retarded, this should work and HAS to work.

the fact that you can record external synths knob movements but not the internal synth's knob movements is an oxymoron.

You are comparing how the MPC 2500 works with an external synth and how the MPC 5K works with its internal synth...

The 5K only sends CC to external devices which is the same as the MPC 2500. As far as I can tell, you can automate mixer settings as well as tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release, etc of synth/sample programs. You cannot automate changes to a programs LFOs, VCA, VCF, etc based on my few months of experience and what it detailed in the manual.

This sounds like a user request you should add in the feature request threads.

i just checked too & you can t.

I can t imagine they forgot this feature, it unbelievable to have a synth but no automations possible on it

i ll definitly add this to the request thread !

yeah they should totally add this feature.... it would be silly not to.

ritec wrote:yeah they should totally add this feature.... it would be silly not to.

Are there any other drum sampling or keyboard workstations that have this feature?

I don't think so... that is food for thought I guess.

Are there any other drum sampling or keyboard workstations that have this feature?

yes there s many other hardware with this feature

My radikal technologies spectralis have this feature for ex ...

I also know many others groove machine with this fontion

Just press record, turn the knobs & enjoy

tomazzzi wrote:

Are there any other drum sampling or keyboard workstations that have this feature?

yes there s many other hardware with this feature

My radikal technologies spectralis have this feature for ex ...

I also know many others groove machine with this fontion

Just press record, turn the knobs & enjoy

Spectralis doesn't appear to be a sampling/keyboard workstation. You can't expect a product to do something that it was not created to do. But we can write about it and hope someone is listening.

Does any of these workstations do what you are asking:
Akai MPC 4000
Roland MV-8800, Fantom X/G
Yamaha Motif XS
Korg Triton Studio, M3

Yes the spectralis is a sampling machine with some synths ( analog + digital ).

The MPC 5000 is suposed to be a complete workstation suposed to replace your main sequencer so why shouldn t we expect it to be able to record automation ?

" 12 Q-link controllers for internal automation "

Automations on the mixer is cool but a synth without automation is useless to me, really !

I can t imagine not being able to record a simple fiter automation on a synth part for exemple

Even on my old yamaha SU700 ( sampling workstation ) i m able to record knob movements of every parameters of the machine..

i m agree with ritec that s retarded !

Does any of these workstations do what you are asking:
Akai MPC 4000
Roland MV-8800, Fantom X/G
Yamaha Motif XS
Korg Triton Studio, M3

The 4000 has no built in synth ...
The mv 8800, triton, Fantom & motif have automations on their synth part.

Also synth like Juno D & v synth from roland are able to do it.

tomazzzi wrote:Yes the spectralis is a sampling machine with some synths ( analog + digital ).

The MPC 5000 is suposed to be a complete workstation suposed to replace your main sequencer so why shouldn t we expect it to be able to record automation ?

" 12 Q-link controllers for internal automation "

Automations on the mixer is cool but a synth without automation is useless to me, really !

Does any of these workstations do what you are asking:
Akai MPC 4000
Roland MV-8800, Fantom X/G
Yamaha Motif XS
Korg Triton Studio, M3

The 4000 has no built in synth ...
The mv 8800 & Fantom have automations

Don t know about the triton & yamaha

The 5K does have automation that extends beyond its mixer. You can record Q-link movements that effects an internal synth/sample programs tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release. As I wrote earlier..you can not record automation that changes LFOs,VCAs, etc.

What type of automation does the MV-8800 and fantom have?

Like i said before automations on the mixer are cool but no automations on the synth is retarded.

The mv8800 & fantom does have automations on the synth parameters ....

Isn t there a way to assign qlinks to synth parameters ? ( in the qlink menu of course ...)

I ll try tonight ...

You can record Q-link movements that effects an internal synth/sample programs tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release.

you can t use tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release on the synth programs

so no way to add a simple lowpass filter to a synth line without resampling ( imagine if your synth line is 6 minutes long ) , that s insane to me !

tomazzzi wrote:Like i said before automations on the mixer are cool but no automations on the synth is retarded.

The mv8800 & fantom does have automations on the synth parameters ....

Isn t there a way to assign qlinks to synth parameters ? ( in the qlink menu of course ...)

I ll try tonight ...

You can record Q-link movements that effects an internal synth/sample programs tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release.

you can t use tune, level, cutoff, resonance, attack, decay, release on the synth programs

so no way to add a simple lowpass filter to a synth line without resampling ( imagine if your synth line is 6 minutes long ) , that s insane to me !

What synth parameters are you talking about? I have a Fantom in front of me.

And yes, you can automate level, cutoff, attack, decay, release on synth programs but not tune...most things you can automate will be found in the Q-link menu.

In no way am I downing things you want in this MPC.

And yes, you can automate level, cutoff, attack, decay, release on synth programs but not tune...most things you can automate will be found in the Q-link menu.

Yes i just checked & it works for those settings, cool !

I dont really need other stuff than filters to be honnest but that would be cool anyway.
( lfo can be really usefull for ex )

most things you can automate will be found in the Q-link menu.

i really want to see more in the future

All the MPC parameters should be there !!

What synth parameters are you talking about? I have a Fantom in front of me.

Let s say for ex you want to record the filter cutoff of your Fantom synth patch

If you press record & turn the knob ( one of the 4 assignable knobs ) does it record the performance ?

It s for me an indispensable feature of a " workstation "

A small floating rectangle represents those parameters whose value may be tweaked by the four assignable knobs. As you can record the slider movements into the sequencer

Quote from sos review of fantom X

In no way am I downing things you want in this MPC.

i know buddy

Let s say for ex you want to record the filter cutoff of your Fantom synth patch

If you press record & turn the knob ( one of the 4 assignable knobs ) does it record the performance ?

It s for me an indispensable feature of a " workstation "

Both the Fantom and the 5K does this.

Currently, there are just a handfull of parameters that can be automated in both workstations. I would be shocked if they expanded this to include all parameters in the synth/sample programs.

Maybe the 5K needs to be improved so that it can receive MIDI CC since it can be used as a multi-timbral sound module.....

Both the Fantom and the 5K does this.

Yes but on the fantom you can assign every parameters of the synth to those 4 knobs ( lfo osc etc.. ) no ?

Maybe the 5K needs to be improved so that it can receive MIDI CC since it can be used as a multi-timbral sound module.....

i can t be more agree with you

I would be shocked if they expanded this to include all parameters in the synth/sample programs.

Though not with this