Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By daicehawk Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:22 pm
since many folks are talking about converters and the sound of the mpc3000, i`d like to ask you to help me make measurement of the AD-DA of the mpc. There`s a free tool called RMAA which can measure such things as Frequency Response, Total Harmonic Distortion, Crosstalk etc. I attached the test wav. file for the test procedure which is as follows:

1. While playing the Test Signal file wav. files from your computer, sample it from your computer interface`s analog OUTs into analog INs of the MPC (Levelwise possibly close to 0 dbFS in the sample dialog window of the mpc but not touching 0 it so the meter in the record dialog window of the MPC showing -6 dbfs on the calibrating 1 kHz sine peeep in the start is the perfect level match).

NOTE: Be sure to play the file at its original sample rate 44,1 Khz!

2. Assign the recorded sound to a pad and trigger its playback at the full level while recording it from the analog OUTs of the MPC into analog INs your computer interface at 44,1 khz.

3. Send the resulting wav. file to daicehawk[at]hotmail.com or post it here.

I will analyze the resulting file witth the RMAA and post the measurement results here. Of course, this test involves measurement of your computer audio interface, but AFAIK, most of the decent audiocards are more linear, than the mpc`s AD/DA chain.
And i`ll post the measuremnt results of my MPC2kxl.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmc5n8 - it`s the test file
By daicehawk Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:33 pm
7 1 4 Beats wrote:Still don't prove **** everybody has different computers and different interfaces and different sound cards and if one person does one thing different or off it ruins the whole thing so how is that accurate. Buy the machine then make judgement..

daicehawk wrote:Of course, this test involves measurement of your computer audio interface, but AFAIK, most of the decent audiocards are more linear, than the mpc`s AD/DA chain.
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By DukeNewport Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:40 pm
Many folks are not talking about the sound of the 3000 - it's the 60.

Cats on here know dat 16bit=16bit no matter what, fuk wut u heard.

But don't take my word Mr. Moron Trap setter. Mike Goins posted his test on here that if anyone could tell the difference between the 2000/3000 playin the same kick drum 10 x's he'd giv u the MP of ur choice. Nobody ever won.

Make music or ask a real tech question instead of dissin people who respond to u

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By jrides Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:13 pm
Your post is being met with resistance becuase most people who "make beets" dont see any value in this type of experiment. It wont make your "beets" hotter. 140 new pieces of vinyl will not magically appear at your doorstep once the test is complete. I mean... "beetmakers" really see no purpose in this type of thing.

And from my own personal perspective. I agree with 714 in that... you are really just measuring your converters, at the end of the day. If cats are rocking Myteks and Lavrys and such thats cool.... Im guessing anyone who responds to your request is not though.

And back to the "beetmakers" perspective. This type of thing is just cornball. Cats are too involved with making music to bother with this. You may have better luck on Fleebay.
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By kneebone77 Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:50 pm
7 1 4 Beats wrote:Still don't prove **** everybody has different computers and different interfaces and different sound cards and if one person does one thing different or off it ruins the whole thing so how is that accurate. Buy the machine then make judgement..


+1

DukeNewport wrote:Cats on here know dat 16bit=16bit no matter what, fuk wut u heard.


-1

ASR-10's don't sound like SP-404's which don't sound like S-6000's which don't sound like EPS 16+'s which don't sound like S-1100's which don't sound like MPC-2000xl's which don't sound like ST-224 which don't sound like...
Now admittedly, at the end of the day none of this ish amounts to a hill of beans! But to say 16bit is 16bit is not exactly true.

DukeNewport wrote:But don't take my word Mr. Moron Trap setter. Mike Goins posted his test on here that if anyone could tell the difference between the 2000/3000 playin the same kick drum 10 x's he'd giv u the MP of ur choice. Nobody ever won.


Any chance of a link to that? Sounds interesting.
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By DukeNewport Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:40 am
MPC3000 is mike goins username - search with the above keywords in the 3K forum, it's way back, but i found it.
kneebone77 wrote:ASR-10's don't sound like SP-404's which don't sound like MPC-2000xl's

Uh huh.... :roll:

I might not be the biggest gear nazi, or have ever used an SP-404, but i know my ASR

The effects when they're on do sound mad DIFF than an mp, but when they're off??

There is no way in hell that if i sample the same kick in the asr-10+mpc2000xl with no effects on, and play them back 10x's that u will get it %100 right. none. mike's point
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By kneebone77 Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:47 am
DukeNewport wrote:MPC3000 is mike goins username - search with the above keywords in the 3K forum, it's way back, but i found it.
kneebone77 wrote:ASR-10's don't sound like SP-404's which don't sound like MPC-2000xl's

Uh huh.... :roll:

I might not be the biggest gear nazi, or have ever used an SP-404, but i know my ASR

The effects when they're on do sound mad DIFF than an mp, but when they're off??

There is no way in hell that if i sample the same kick in the asr-10+mpc2000xl with no effects on, and play them back 10x's that u will get it %100 right. none. mike's point


well maybe not on a kick drum, but let's say a sampled loop with a vibraphone and guitar in it! I'll spot it every time... :wink: